Is Drinking Wine Wrong??

Which of those 2 is Proverbs 31:6-7? and do you preach it?

 

Alcott,

I do not give alcohol to the heavy hearted. I point them to Christ. He can enlighten a heart much more than alcohol.

There is no need for alcohol. If one would rather give alcohol to someone than Christ, who gives joy and peace and life, one is leading that one astray.

 

So you repudiate the Word of God and go by your own ideas here.

 

You have a propensity for showing a bad dismeanor on the BB. You out right called someone else a liar which I deleted, and it appears that you have insunated the same thing here. If you are not going to debate the issue without personal attacks then kindly stop posting.
As to your objection:

Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Have you ever studied poetry? Proverbs is one of the poetical books and employs a good many literary devices. The one that it uses here is callled a "comparative negative." Perhaps I should leave it at that and let you find out for yourself what it means. Basically he is making a comparision using an illustration in a negative way. It is almost a sarcastic expression of saying things. It is a negative statement used to draw a comparison. In truth he is not advocating the drinking of wine. But you wouldn't know that if you don't understand figures of speech and the nuances of Hebrew poetry. So please refrain from calling people liars on the board and do a bit more study before you post without knowledge (a definition of ignorance).
DHK

 

Ain't that smart on your part? Delete a brief quote, then tell it.

Yep, to some extent. I am a 7-time winner of the Adult Division of our annual county poetry society contest.

Okay, when it is stated, "It is not for kings... to drink wine" it is a literary device, not necessarily meaning exactly what it says, since it is a poetic comparison with the referenced verses, or the alternative does mean what it says; or else it's half factual, half poetic license. Okay.

 

Alcohol is toxic. It is poison. We are to take care of our bodies, not fill them with any amount of poison.

No, Look not upon the fermented beverage. Solomon meant what he said there. Leave it alone. I guess you are saying Solomon was preaching against God's Word too.

You need to read the Bible by the Sprit and not the flesh.

 

Well chosen reference; thanks!

Even in these words is a prophecy of Christ to be discerned! Then what could be said against the pure enjoyment of what God has created for man's pure enjoyment? Shame, I really mean it; what pity some deny.

 

Alchohol used wrongly is toxic; but not if used they way God made it part of and parcel OF the fruit of the vine. It is as fruit of the vine as the grapes are.

Now wine is good for you! You even get a better deal with the life-insurers if you drink temperately. And it is good statistics that will tell you you stand a better chance against all sorts of circulatory problems and heart attack. Temperate drinkers live longer, happier and healthier than totalers.

Somewhere it says in the OT that if you lived too far from the temple you must take your tithes and by wine and get drunk. \so not even getting drunk (a bit, occasionally) is so much wrong with.

 

Somehere it says that if you look at the king's table laden with food, you must put a knife to your throat. Does that mean food per se should not be eaten? - The same with the wine in your instance referred.

 

Be not all too holy, it also says!

 

Like misquoting scripture?

1When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:
2And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.


It says 'if' thou be a man given to appetite. Big difference. Says you are not to sit at the kings table gluttonous. Nothing about if you look at the food you are to put a knife to your throat.



That is a far cry from 'look not at the wine when it is fermented.'

 

Where is that scripture? certainly not in the Bible.

 

Neither is this...

"No, Look not upon the fermented beverage. Solomon meant what he said there. Leave it alone. I guess you are saying Solomon was preaching against God's Word too."

 

Prov. 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright is speaking of fermented wine and not looking at it. Diggin did not misquote, he paraphrased. Solomon wax saying not to look at fermented wine.

 

The Bible is not going to contradict itself. If it says don't drink wine because it can lead to drunkenness, it must be talking of fermented wine.

When it is saying to drink, it is speaking of non-fermented.

 

The context of the verse is the answer. Wine in the Bible is a generic term. It can mean "fermented" or "unfermented" depending on the context in which it is used.
How can the English reader determine whether the Old Testament is speaking of unfermented, good wine, or fermented, bad wine? Simply examine the context of the verse. Wherever the use of wine is prohibited or discouraged, the reference is to fermented wine. Where its use is encouraged, the reference is to unfermented grape juice.