Clip is dated 28 Mar 2018
John MacArthur - We are Not Saved by The Blood Of Jesus Christ!
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 5, 2022.
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
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If all it took was some blood, a finger prick would have been much easier than death on the cross. -
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Scarlett O. ModeratorModerator
I edited out the claim of heresy.
He's not saying what you think he is - that Jesus' blood is irrelevant. He is saying it is the death of Christ [and resurrection, I'll add] that saves. Just the blood as a fluid without the death is not enough.
Yes, he should have made himself a little more clear, but he is not a heretic. I felt like he was back-tracking, but he was not claiming what you said he was.
When the Bible speaks of the blood of Jesus saving us, in my mind, it includes the death and resurrection.
- Ephesians 1:7 = "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,"
- Acts 20:28 = "Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood."
- 1 Peter 1:18-19 = "Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot."
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
JM is trying to show that the actual Blood that Jesus shed on the cross, does not save any sinner, which is not what the Bible Teaches. Listen to the clip again -
SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
The Lords Supper is the BODY and BLOOD, and the BLOOD ALONE is that what Atones for our sins, as Hebrews says, "And by the law almost all things are purged with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission" (9:22); and Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul". Tbis is talking about the ACTUAL blood.
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
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This is old nonsense and truly thought most here above the hatred for MacArthur that this implies. Bob Jones University pushed this attack for years, much to their shame.
It was picked up by the KJVonly sect since many of modern translations supposedly "hate" the blood of Christ. Shows unreal hatred. :( -
Sbw, your ignorance of passover, the priesthood, and the new covenant is showing in this thread. Therefore, you cannot comprehend what John MacArthur is saying. Note that there are people in this thread who are all telling you, you're wrong...and these people disagree on many issues. That should be enough for you to quit fighting, shut up, and listen to what people are telling you.
So, first things first. Go back and read the covenants and in particular, read Hebrews. Then re-listen to what MacArthur is saying. If you have grasped the message to the Hebrews, you will then begin to grasp what MacArthur is alluding to.
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
What he says in the video clip is unbiblical nonsense and misrepresents the clear teachings of the Bible
No one can justify trying to make the actual Blood that Jesus Christ shed as unimportant which is what JM is doing -
Glad no one video'd my sermon on Rom 5:10 "we shall be saved by His life" (KJV) or they would think that I didn't believe in the cross and call me an unbeliever.
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It's biblical nonsense...to you.
Everyone can see you don't make sense of what MacArthur is saying. You have a significant ignorance in your understanding and therefore what MacArthur is saying is truly nonsense to you.
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
What you are doing is taking verse out of the context or on their own as JM is doing and using this to push your theories -
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Can anyone show ONE verse from the entire Bible that says that Atonement for sins is not in the actual blood shed?
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Don't take away from the Bible what God has put there, or add to it -
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You have yet to tell me, if what you believe is actually true, why Jesus didn't prick His finger and avoid death. -
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