In the SBC church I'm a member of, the Pastor's wife (who is a professor at the most prominent private Christian college) often fills in, when the need arises, in our adult Sunday School classes.
Liberal or not?
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Reynolds, Apr 17, 2022.
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alexander284 Well-Known Member
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
1 Timothy 2
11 A woman is to learn quietly with full submission. 12 I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. -
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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The ONLY example, unless I am missing one, that we have of the distribution of elements was from Christ, the Shepherd. So the only example we have is a man giving the elements. Specifically, the leader. Now obviously Christ said that we are to continue to do this in remembrance so it is something that would continue, and it obviously would not be him giving the elements each time.
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Do women pour the wine/juice into the cups?
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
The same Paul forbad women from speaking in churches, as also saith the law.
Failure to rightly divide (2Ti.2:15) between spiritual and physical is the reason Paul's words are wrested to justify the anti-Pauline position of women leaders. -
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
But of course, the great Greek scholars that haunt the forum are more qualified than the KJB translators who in this case rendered διάκονος as "servant", which is literally the meaning of διάκονος.
OED: "literally 'servant', from dia- here perhaps 'thoroughly, from all sides', + PIE *kon-o-, from root *ken- 'to hasten, set oneself in motion.'
Making Phebe out to be a deacon, in the 1Timothy 3 sense of positional authority, is akin to claiming that a "minister" must always mean "a political ruler" since the term "minister" is often applied to political rulers. But clearly, there is a quasi-opposite difference between a "minister" who is a servant and a "minister" who is a ruler. Likewise, Phebe was deacon in the sense of "servant" not a deacon in the sense of an elder/ruler. The KJB translators, understanding that distinction, and not being subject to 21st century Wokeism, here translated διάκονος literally and correctly as servant.
Of course, the brethren who suffer from anti-KJBitis Syndrome at this point get the shakes, and must now adopt the position that Phebe was indeed a deacon because the KJB must always be proven wrong; for 'tis a matter of intellectual superiority, of course.
Paul essentially explains how Phebe had been a servant of the church in the next verse: she hath been a succourer of many (v.2). As such, she clearly had the gift of helps:
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
My, how the Bible itself elucidates things.
And it's hard for Phebe to be a deaconess while also the husband of one wife (Titus 1:6).
Unless the same transgender spirit that afflicts the West also afflicts one's theology.
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
How do we know?
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Second, no one has yet shown a regulative principle that says women cannot serve communion.
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