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What did Paul say? What did he say to "all the churches"?
You must follow the plain truth of Scripture. You can't rationalize it away.
The issue was not cultural. The issue stemmed from Eve being deceived. Read the text. It is both a consequence of the first sin and a consequence of leading Adam to sin. The practical aspect is women, due to emotions and being created to be in subjection to men, are more likely to be led astray.
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Do you teach that in your church?
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The fact is there is no scripture that prohibits the distribution by a woman….period the end.
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What did Paul say? What did he say to "all the churches"?
You must follow the plain truth of Scripture. You can't rationalize it away.
The issue was not cultural. The issue stemmed from Eve being deceived. Read the text. It is both a consequence of the first sin and a consequence of leading Adam to sin. The practical aspect is women, due to emotions and being created to be in subjection to men, are more likely to be led astray.
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No, the roles for men and women do not stem from Eve being deceived.
God established a leadership role in Adam because he is the firstborn of men. Eve comes from Adam and has a role of service under Adam as lead curator of the Garden. Neither person is diminished. Both are image bearers of God. God simply established the lead to be Adam.
Your comment about emotions is just your own cultural hogwash and it has no biblical support. The great women of the Bible would laugh at your silly comment.
When we look at Deborah we see a shining example of a woman of God who rightly sees the leadership role to be that of a man, but she takes on the role when the man is spineless. This is hardly some emotionally dysfunctional person.
Second, men are equally led astray. In fact, the church has always had more women in the fellowship than men, purely because men are often failing to follow God as they desperately try to steer their own ship.
Frankly, your last paragraph is just silly talk from the ignorance of your faith tradition.
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I've only seen this occur once in an EC-B church.
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Do you have sources for this?
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@Reynolds , Where does the Bible say it is the duty of the deacon to withold communion from the partaker?
The burden is on the unrepentant person to not take communion. The burden is not on the one passing the elements.
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@Reynolds , Where does the Bible say it is the duty of the deacon to withold communion from the partaker?
The burden is on the unrepentant person to not take communion. The burden is not on the one passing the elements.
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Yes I agree, the burden is on the one taking communion.
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Your church does not deny communion? Quite a few around here do. The one who sent the E-mail does.
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@Reynolds , Where does the Bible say it is the duty of the deacon to withold communion from the partaker?
The burden is on the unrepentant person to not take communion. The burden is not on the one passing the elements.
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That would logically fall under Church discipline. Paul laid out guidelines for that too. Excommunication, in it's various names, has a long history in Baptist church.
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Reynolds, you have no biblical, regulative principle. You are claiming a church discipline issue that is strictly for elders and trying to force it upon ushers who pass the communion plates.
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The elders or administrative deacons should pass the plates. That is my point. It should not be done by general servants with no Biblical authority.
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It is called context, do some reading.
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No, just following the text. Look at the context not just to one or two verses.
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In which John MacArthur admits :
"1 Timothy 3:11 ...refers, most likely, to women who are in the office of deaconess."
and
"It’s possible [Phoebe] served in an official capacity as a deaconess at the church in Cenchrea."
"Romans 16:1 ...'I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant [diakonos ] of the church which is at Cenchrea'."
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No, our church gives the expectation of the communion, we examine ourselves in quiet prayer, then it is up to the person to either partake or abstain.
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In which John MacArthur
admits :
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1 Timothy 3:11 ...refers, most likely, to women who are in the office of deaconess."
and
"It’s possible [Phoebe] served in an official capacity as a deaconess at the church in Cenchrea."
"
Romans 16:1 ...'I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant [
diakonos ] of the church which is at Cenchrea'."
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In that same article he also makes a distinction between deacon and deaconess.
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No, our church gives the expectation of the communion, we examine ourselves in quiet prayer, then it is up to the person to either partake or abstain.
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So your church does not place members under Church discipline and deny communion while under discipline?