To be fair. That's not what was said.
There was acknowledgement and then a return question on how luke uses a differing word.
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Looking for info: Partial Preterism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Gorship, Mar 16, 2019.
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Matt. 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
Matt. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. -
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Partial preterism is as wrong as full preterism, for the simple reason that the prophesied events simply haven't yet happened. There's simply no getting around history and reality!
These words of JESUS prove partial preterism wrong:
Matt. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
So we see Jesus said His return will be very shortly after the great trib ends. So, if the great trib was in 70 AD, Jesus is long-overdue!
Actually, the eschatological events have NOT yet happened. When they do, they'll fulfill Biblical prophecies about them exactly, to the letter. -
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Gorship, the preterist views, both full & partial, are completely man-made, not supported by history and reality whatsoever, and were made by MEN who reduced "inconvenient" Scriptures to "symbolic/figurative" status in order to make Scripture accommodate their agenda. They do NOT take Scripture at face value, as God intends it to be believed.
As for Preston, Gentry, DelMar, etc. they're a gang of quack booksellers interested more in $$ than in telling the TRUTH. -
The fact remains that preterism, both full & partial, is phony as a Ford Corvette. Unfortunately, you seem to have swallowed the hooey in the writings of some quacks. -
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What will the AOD be? Daniel said it'll be when the man of sin sets up his image in the temple; Paul adds that, while in the temple, he will exalt himself above anything that's ever been worshipped, proclaiming himself to be God, and Rev. 13 says that the false prophet will cause the image to speak, as well as re-iterating the beast's claim to be God. Such actions would hardly go unnoticed, & would be well-known if they'd already occurred!
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15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),
16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: Mt 24
20 But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.
21 Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. Lu 21 -
The plain statement from scripture; "the great tribulation" is a long done deal:
1 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24
19 For those days shall be tribulation, such as there hath not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be.
30 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, until all these things be accomplished. Mk 13
22 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lu 21 -
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And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
I have noticed that many people miss the meaning of "coming on the clouds." In popular Western theology, it is often thought to be a description of the physical return of Jesus to reign upon the earth. However, it is simply a picture of divine judgment -- in this case, judgment on the generation that rejected Jesus and put Him to death.
Notice the use of the "clouds" symbolism:
2 Samuel 22:7-12 (David describes God's deliverance from his enemies and Saul)
“In my distress I called upon the Lord,
Yes, I cried to my God;
And from His temple He heard my voice,
And my cry for help came into His ears.
“Then the earth shook and quaked,
The foundations of heaven were trembling
And were shaken, because He was angry.
“Smoke went up out of His nostrils,
Fire from His mouth devoured;
Coals were kindled by it.
“He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With thick darkness under His feet.
“And He rode on a cherub and flew;
And He appeared on the wings of the wind.
“And He made darkness canopies around Him,
A mass of waters, thick clouds of the sky.
Psalms 97:2-5 (God destroys His adversaries)
Clouds and thick darkness surround Him;
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne.
Fire goes before Him
And burns up His adversaries round about.
His lightnings lit up the world;
The earth saw and trembled.
The mountains melted like wax at the presence of the Lord,
At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
Jeremiah 4:11-13 (Judgment upon Judea)
In that time it will be said to this people and to Jerusalem, “A scorching wind from the bare heights in the wilderness in the direction of the daughter of My people—not to winnow and not to cleanse, a wind too strong for this—will come at My command; now I will also pronounce judgments against them.
“Behold, he goes up like clouds,
And his chariots like the whirlwind;
His horses are swifter than eagles.
Woe to us, for we are ruined!”
Ezekiel 30:1-4 (Judgment upon Egypt)
The word of the Lord came again to me saying, “Son of man, prophesy and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God,
“Wail, ‘Alas for the day!’
“For the day is near,
Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds,
A time of doom for the nations.
“A sword will come upon Egypt,
And anguish will be in Ethiopia;
When the slain fall in Egypt,
They take away her wealth,
And her foundations are torn down.
Nahum 1:1-6 (Judgment upon Assyria)
The oracle of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.
A jealous and avenging God is the Lord;
The Lord is avenging and wrathful.
The Lord takes vengeance on His adversaries,
And He reserves wrath for His enemies.
The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And the Lord will by no means leave the guilty unpunished.
In whirlwind and storm is His way,
And clouds are the dust beneath His feet.
He rebukes the sea and makes it dry;
He dries up all the rivers.
Bashan and Carmel wither;
The blossoms of Lebanon wither.
Mountains quake because of Him
And the hills dissolve;
Indeed the earth is upheaved by His presence,
The world and all the inhabitants in it.
Who can stand before His indignation?
Who can endure the burning of His anger?
His wrath is poured out like fire
And the rocks are broken up by Him.
Zephaniah 1:14-15 (Judgment upon Judah for their idolatry)
Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
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Drop down to Matthew 24:34. Jesus says that this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. What are all these things? Everything that He had been telling them since the beginning of the Olivet Discourse. A literal reading of "this generation" tells us He is speaking of the people alive in His day. This is not a future generation, or He would have said "that generation". It is not "race", because that is a completely different word. Jesus always uses "this generation" to refer to His contemporaries. (Examples include Matthew 11:16; 12:41-42; Luke 7:31; 11:29-32.)
Among other things, Jesus said that "the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world...and then the end will come" (Matt. 24:14). "Oikumene" is the word for "world" in this verse. Scripture tells us that the gospel was, in fact, preached in the whole world (meaning the Roman Empire, in context). See Romans 1:8; 10:18; Col. 1:6, 23.
Just wanted to give you a few things to think about for an honest discussion. -
The main point of Gorship's topic was to find out information on this viewpoint, and to ask whether it was accepted by Baptists in general. While you disagree with this view, I don't think you really understand it. Those who adhere to this eschatological view are the ones who understand it best. -
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Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Does Mat. 24:14 require every nation on the planet to hear the Gospel? Or did the Gospel command given to the Apostles put into effect Jesus' statement? For the first thousand years of the Gospel Jesus couldn't return 'cos America hadn't heard the Gospel!?!?!
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