All saved are the elect!
N. T. Wright on Predestination and Election
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Humble Disciple, Aug 3, 2021.
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"In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity."
Ecclesiastes 7:18
It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.
1 Corinthians 8:2-3
Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes. -
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with a heart of mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience,
Believers in Colossae are called the elect of God -
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
1 Thessalonians 1:4–5: "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake."
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act "as" God's elect? Since only the elect will be raptured, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Corinthians 15:52. -
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However, during the physical lifetime of people, God individually chooses (individual election) them for salvation by setting them apart in Christ, i.e. the sanctification by the Spirit, and by reason of crediting their faith as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 2:13. -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Wright is a very prolific writer. To summarize his work would need a book on its own. Therefore I'm picking on just one or two topics.
Wright is a supporter and popularizer of a chap called E.P. Sanders who wrote a book in 1977 called Paul and Palestinian Judaism. This book, and Wright's What Saint Paul really Said, impose upon the Bible what Sanders and Wright consider to be 1st Century Judaism, based on some of the discoveries in the Dead Sea Scrolls and on early Rabbinic and pseudepigraphical writings. They argue from these that Judaism was not based on works righteousness but on what Wright calls 'covenantal nomism.' which involved obedience to the law within the context of God's gracious covenant (contra Mark 7:1ff). Obedience to the law was not thought of as the way into the covenant, but the way of staying in it..
Part of the problem with all this is that it cuts across texts like Exodus 19:5 where the covenant is clearly conditional (compare with 1 Peter 2:9-10), and Romans 10:3, where Paul declares that the Jews were ignorant of God's righteousness and were seeking to establish their own. Also, Don Carson and Mark Seifrid have examined the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls and found that 'One could only be clean from sin by belonging to the community and observing their strict regulations' (Seifrid). And I attended a lecture by Sam Waldron back around 2,000 in which he quoted from a number of rabbinic authors, showing that according to them, men like Abraham, Moses and Ezra were approved and heard by God because of their ethical righteousness rather than by grace through faith (contra Romans 4:3 & Hebrews 11:24ff).
There's much more to say, but the gist of the whole thing is that Wright is imposing a view of 1st Century Judaism upon Christianity rather than following the Bible. At best that view is disputed; at worst it is dead wrong. -
Have you read the book Jesus: Two Visions by N. T. Wright and Marcus Borg, in which Wright defends the traditional understanding of Jesus? -
The New Testament term for the church "ekklesia," which is related to the English word "elect," was also used for the people of Israel in the Greek Septuagint.
The Corporate View of Election
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