NHS: Starving Alfie to death was just 'redirecting care'

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  1. church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    The British courts ruled that the infant could not leave the UK for medical treatment, according to CNN, a liberal source.

    Judges on the UK Court of Appeal once again ruled against 23-month-old Alfie Evans' family.

    Wednesday's ruling rejected new arguments intended to overturn a decision by the High Court on Tuesday that prevented the terminally ill toddler from leaving Britain for medical treatment, said Roger Kiska, a lawyer with Christian Legal Center and part of the legal team representing Alfie's parents.

    Alfie Evans not allowed to leave country, UK court says - CNN
     
  2. Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
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    OK Matt, what was the use of the British Governnent insistence on not releasing the child into the custody of the parents, knowing full well that they would have taken the child to the Vatican... where the child would probably have died yes but would have died in peace and with the full support of the parents ...whose minds would have been at ease. This child should not have been the ward of the government (not any government) because they do not have the right to play God and parent to anyone’s kids. Those parents had enough to go through without your governments interfering.
     
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    There is nothing true in this post.
     
  4. InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Well, I think the "no country is perfect" part is true.
     
  5. Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>
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    Could Matt Black lose his job for being critical of his rulers ?
     
  6. just-want-peace Well-Known Member
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    Hadn’t considered this scenario, but seems totally plausable considering his replies!!!
    This would be a terrible cloud hanging overhead. But this is exactly what WE would have under a progressive utopian dream.:(
     
  7. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    For those who are interested in the facts of the case, the High Court judgement is here:
    Alder Hey NHS Trust -v- Evans
     
  8. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    It was nothing to do with the Government: the courts adjudicated a dispute between the parents, the hospital and the representatives of Alfie as to what was in Alfie's best interests. Theresa May and her Government had no say in it whatsoever, being subject to the Courts the same as everyone else. The reason the Courts decided that it wasn't in Alfie's best interests to transfer him to Italy was that (a) all that the Italian hospital was offering was not a cure but palliative care coupled with artificially keeping him alive (equivalent to performing CPR endlessly on someone who's flatlined) and (b) because even moving someone being ventilated from one part of a hospital to another would have inflicted unnecessary pain and probably have hastened the end, let alone moving him from one country to another!
     
  9. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    Nope.
     
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    So, sorry to disappoint those of you who think we live in some kind of totalitarian socialist paradise (highly unlikely under a Conservative government responsible for cuts in public services so vicious that even Maggie Thatcher didn't dare to make them) where evil doctors bayonet babies for kicks, but we have this thing called Due Process and the Rule of Law which has been followed in this tragic case.
     
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    So you think threatening to kill doctors and nurses is Ok? Or forcing staff and patients (other children, remember) to run the gauntlet of a baying mob, telling said patients that the doctors are going to kill them, is Ok? You don't have a problem with that?

    Dr Ravi Jayaram
     
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    As I said in the US the police can shoot unarmed people with impunity,
     
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    As I said nothing about that statement is true and repeating that silliness is petty.
     
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    Did Brussels tell you that?
     
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    Thanks for admitting that the courts make the determinations in these cases.
     
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    Death panels.
     
  18. David Kent Well-Known Member
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    Yes you did ,and I don't believe a word you say.
     
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    I doubt you believe what you say.
     
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    Still mad about that whole colonial thing , eh Dave ?