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AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN!!!
The LOVE and MERCY, and PATIENCE of God are well publicized and heralded! But it's slim to none the chance that you'll hear a sermon on God's wrath, judgment, or anger anymore.
Those who are depending ONLY on the first listed attributes of God are going to be rather upset when they suddenly realize - too late - that all that sweetness and light that they had been promised by the liberals, has another aspect to it that was never explained to them.
Obama Endorses Homosexuality
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Dragoon68, Jan 28, 2010.
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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The title of this thread is false. There is a huge difference between endorsing homosexuality and endorsing homosexual human beings.
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I'm sorry but I must disagree with many of the posters in here that believe there is gay bashing going on in this thread. I've served and worked for the military for almost 30 years now and homosexual behavior is not allowed in the military. Clinton pushed for this "don't ask, don't tell" policy and got it passed, but it still is punishable to be openly gay. This is the military we are talking about, not the local bank or grocery store. Discipline is one of the first things learned in basic training and without it, the military would fail. To allow openly gay men/women in would degrade the discipline in my opinion. It is immoral just as much as doing drugs or having an affair if married, and these are punishable also. Now I know some will say that much immoral behavior is allowed, but this immoral behavior you speak of is not punishable. It's not punishable to sleep around or get drunk or many other thinks we as Christians disapprove of, but this is the military's set rules, either abide by them or stay out. Remember we are talking about sexual behavior, this is a choice and if a man or woman wants to choose to be gay then they forfeit their ability to qualify for military service, unless they keep quite about it.
I tell you what is really wrong. I would bet that 60-80% of the military right now is unqualified to serve. I know most men and women lie to get in. They lie about drug usage and health issues and even dependency issues. They lie to get in, but gay's don't have to lie anymore like they used to, because Clinton allows them to "not tell". hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I really think this is all wrong. If you want to serve the in greatest military in the world, then stay clean to qualify. That was always my message to young kids. :wavey: -
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righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It Takes a Gay, to Support and Embrace Gays...
This sin is so involved with perversion, that it takes someone in bed with it (homosexuality), to support and embrace it!
I said this in 2007, and in 2008, I think Obama leans toward homosexuality. Only time will tell if I'm right, but, Rev. Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, and Paul Crouch (TBN) all dabbled their feet in the cesspool with perversion.
I have no doubt that Obama has something to hide, and time will bring it to the forefront. How novel... he may be the first black, Muslim, and gay POTUS. The Muslim and gay issues are yet to be revealed, but, slick media investigators will bring it out if it's there to bring out.
Please don't hammer me for my opinion. It is simply an opinion. Let's call it a hunch!:thumbs:
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righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You May Be On To Something...
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In discussing this with my 87y/o dad.... USN retired vet of WWII and Korean War...... He tells me that men who were thought by others to be gay have always been in the military... and some of them were able to advance through the ranks.... but it wasnot something admitted to or openly allowed nor tolerated by the rank and file... if known for sure.
I see it as a moral issue and a morale issue, based upon discussions with my dad: A person who doesn't have the moral character to live within the discipline of behavior normally accepted by that group are in a position, by their own behavior, to not be trusted by others. Clinton's policy was already in effect..... in a way..... long before Clinton mouthed it off to others and increased the boldness of sodomites joining the military.
Up until recent years, ones sexuality was not a topic of open discussion. But sex education in schools and the aggressive sodomite agenda, has brought it to the forefront of publically discussed topics. What is seldom even touched on is that not only is the military's morale being affected..... but even the morale in the workplace of everyday Americans is being affected by the aggressiveness of the openly sodomite agenda. Sodomites, who prefer to wag their tale before others, who they know are heterosexuals or who have moral values built upon faith, such as those of Christians, often position themselves to undercut, undermine and otherwise discourage the recognition or the advancement of others who are not like themselves.
They are united by their peculiar behaviors against those who they oppose or who may stand in their way, and practices in the workplace such as sensitivity training and legislation adds power and protection to their willingness and lack of ethics to distort for the sake of promoting their own cause. Those whom they come most against are often those who not only think of sodomy as sin, but also have moral and ethical values such that they would not deliberately entrap or state a falsehood on another co-worker to create an environment of hostility.
When so much of military promotion and advancement is dependent on records of merit and reports of discipline, it is imperative that the soldier is able to trust and have confidence in that fraternal belief among peers... that they back each other with equality and that their commanding officers give honest apprasiels of their conduct without partiality to political correctness or private liasons.
Regarding the military now accepting many who herefofore would have been disqualified.... flies all across the board. Health issues become none issues when one is told 'don't ask, don't tell' by their recruiter, and the cursory military physical is more of an artifact to enable numbers to be recruited instead of screening out those with health problems which might be real issues of liability in war. I've heard (I hope I am wrong) that ex-felons and parolees are now being allowed to join the military. With our educational system being dumbed down as it is.... I also wouldn't be surprise if it is true that what I've heard ..... about those who have problems speaking English, and those with problems in literacy are now being accepted.
And now the zero thinks its alright to admit sodomites openly. How many of us would trust our lives or those of our children in fighting shoulder to shoulder WITH a person who may have problems with anger management, or difficulties in immediately understanding and obeying directions, or drug dependancies, or issues of morality, trust, and ethics? This is not a good thing for anyone. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The other problem with letting homosexuals in the Military would be all the accusations of discrimination and harassment of those who do not accept their life style. The Military courts would become full of cases involving the false charged of homosexuals who are only trying to push their agenda further. It is bad enough outside of the Military. This would just push the Military into disarray.
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"Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer." - Romans 13:2-4
When the purpose of law is perverted to suit the perverted then those with "good conduct" are faced with punishment rather than those who "do wrong". That's where the homosexual agenda is pointed and with the help of leaders like Obama they'll be able to get a lot closer to their goal.
Christians should stop making excuses for this sinful conduct, condemn it for what it is, and work very hard to restore the general public morality - including the force of civil law - that restrained it until recent times. -
righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Hitting the Showers.... 2gether???
The shower issue was exactly why I quit going to Balley's... and these were private shower enclosures. Whcih didn't stop the gay men from reaching in, or standing outside your stall and doing perverted things to get attention.
Management and police knew of the problem, and though the police ran numerous stings, they couldn't stop these guys from doing their thing.
Gays have one united cause, and it is to expand their perversion to the ends of the earth! -
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
I'm not sure really what to think. I'm sick and tired of using the military as a social experement. ITs the military and its function is to kill people and destroy things not promote social change. Those stupid polititians!
As far as gays in the Military. There have always been gays in the military but had the common sense to keep it quiet. Not jepordizing the cohesion necissary for proper operations. Now if this passes every gay wanting to prove a point will join the military. These type of people are by nature anti-establishment and will cause serious problems for our military. I'm sure there are gays not like that but I believe they will be the minority in the upcomming events of the future.
I don't like the arguement that a person who is gay by nature reduces the effectiveness of the military certainly the spartans were gay but were also very fierce. The problem as I see it in the US is that the one who want this passed are the anarchist type that will undermine the establishment by joining the military to cause a ruckus. Just like gays who purposely go to Christian Colleges to cause problems. -
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Every incidence - not very many but a few - of homosexuality I encountered in the military caused some sort of problem with unit effectiveness. It is pathetic in every respect and deserves no tolerance whatsoever. -
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