I read his post 3 times. I can't find any accusation of apostasy. Could you quote it for me?
It is only an insult of it is not true. You say you don't agree with Particular Redemption (Calvinism). Could that disagreement be based on an incomplete understanding of the issues?
Just as the attacks on Dr. Patterson could be based on an incomplete understanding of what he believes, what he said, and why he said it?
(Did you see what I did there to get the discussion back on topic?) :)
Paige Patterson removed as President of SWBTS
Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by RG2, May 23, 2018.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
* The translation is in error. The underlying Greek does not actually mean what the English is saying.
* The writer of those verses is not writing to unbelievers, the audience is actually believers.(Or vice-versa)
* Those verses being used to discredit Calvinism are being taken out of context.
* According to the London Confession of 1689...
No point in debating someone who changes the plain meaning of words, denies whole swaths of audiences, says verses don't apply to the subject matter, and relies on human dogma.
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I do give you credit in that you try and offer a response.....for that you will be awarded a BB participation trophy.
However your responses havebpnly a few more verses than Y 1.....so you are being asked to step it up a notch.
Unfortunately those things you keep listing are true. Let me ask you a question...
Take out a legal pad and see how often you notice it happening with others who interact...
Take the few names I listed....see how often those suspects do what we say they do....
Let me ask you.....is the all spoken of in romans5...18-21
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This issue is not about whether Founders and Traditionalists (to use the terms common in the SBC) are in Christ. It is about how we got there.
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"Noted author and speaker Karen Swallow Prior was hospitalized in surgery this morning (May 24) after being hit by a bus while walking in downtown Nashville yesterday."
"a research fellow for the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, [Ms. Swallow Prior] was in Nashville for work unrelated to the commission. Many details of the accident were not available, but according to tweets by friends and family, she suffered multiple fractures and a collapsed lung."
"ERLC President Russell Moore requested prayers for Prior...'We are grateful to God that Karen was not killed. Please keep praying for her!'" -
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"Reynolds,
Well....bless your heart Reynolds...we do not see eye to eye:Sick
Reynolds...can you explain the difference between;
1] the root of doctrinal apostasy....and holding apostate doctrine?
2] the root of doctrinal apostasy....and outright heresy?
Do not worry... I will start a thread on that later on tonight, but i want to face your objections here.
Not "anyone" Reynolds.....but it does seem like there are quite a few confused persons sometime. If they are wilfully ignorant or not, that is for God to judge.
Sure it is...that is why it has been taught for hundreds of years...
No this is debate site and I do not like any form of censorship so I do not attack you personally saying you are rude or ignorant...despite some of what you have posted that might drift in that direction....
Are you okay Reynolds? do you need a safe space or a timeout?
What might be going on is you seeing the non cals put to flight very often so it has a cumulative effect on you to a point where you make some exaggerated claims, that you cannot support.
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I travel all over the country for 30 years now...I know what I see,and i know what i am talking about....I know tenn. fairly well also....and there are differences from one side of it to the other...
Yeah well...I had just posted that yesterday how that is the go to escape clause...call names and run for the hills.....Sounds a bit creepy to me...sort of cheesy....because truth is truth...not arrogance.
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I lost all interest in SWBTS in 1994, when Dilday was fired as President
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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A lot of hay has been made over Patterson's "Golden Parachute," especially comparing it to Russell Dilday's being locked out of his office, etc. A link posted by Patterson opponent Ben Cole on his blog reminds us of a forgotten fact about Dilday's firing -- he was also offered a "Golden Parachute."
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
A graduate school has to have a certain number of students in order to remain financially and academically viable. SWBTS has been struggling financially since the Dilday firing. The expensive (and unneeded) chapel that Paige Patterson had built (complete with stained glass depictions of living persons) has undermined financial fundraising for the endowment and long-term stability of the school. They are already withdrawing funds from their endowment simply to make payroll and take care of pressing maintenance needs.
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Southern Baptist leader Paige Patterson removed over complaints of 'dangerous' advice to abuse victims
Seems to be a combo package of paige not being the most tactful person, making some wrong decisions, and the overall climate getting him now! -
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