Pensacola Christian College

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by Gunther:
Um, just a point of clarification - that is to prevent a guy from saving a girl's life who is drowning in water so she does not fall in love with him for the wrong reasons.

I guess that would be a situation where someone is drowning in the fountain.

According to the student handbook, male and female students have to go to separate beaches that are located on the bay or face disciplinary action. They are strongly discouraged from going to the public beaches on the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[j_barner2000]

as Pastorgreg said... you need to be sure it is where the Lord leads you to go. If you have prayed about it and are led to go there, then do not allow another person's opinion lead you elsewhere.

 

[Bible-boy]

It has been about 10 years since I completed Henry Blackaby's Experiencing God ; however, I believe I remember a section that talked about the ways in which God can speak to a believer.

It seems that I recall a list that was something like God Speaks through:

1. His Word (the Bible)
2. dreams and visions
3. the wise counsel of other Christians
4. circumstances

Perhaps there was one more that should be in that list but I can't recall. Anyway, I would not be so quick to dismiss the concern or counsel of other Christians (especially if I had asked for other Christians to comment on a subject). I would weigh the information and research the options and pray for God's direction and the peace of the Holy Spirit to guide my decision making process.

 

[superdave]

I know many people who have attended there, and were happy there. I know some who left because of several reasons, primarily because the t/r and kjv were rammed down their throat. Dangerous philosophy that, and one of the primary reasons I would discourage my own children from attending there at this point. Not that there is anything that couldn't change before my four year old is ready.

Still, there are plenty of places with more balanced rules and regs, and doctrine. I would recommend Cedarville, I know several people who went there. Maranatha is fairly strict, but not compared to PCC, it would be a very good choice. I have heard great things as well about Clearwater in Ft. Lauderdale. If you want a Florida school. Northland is a good school as well, mainly for ministry degrees since they are not accredited (neither is PCC or BJU).

You should really check out several schools, they all have different characteristics and positions on various issues, you have find a place where you can grow, but will also be compatible with who you already are.

 

[Madelyn Hope]

Some one else may be more familiar with this, but if I recall right, PCC isn't accredited which can lead to problems if you transfer, apply to grad school, etc. Just something else to consider.

 

[SteveB]

I work at the PCC library and have been at PCC since 1988 as a student and now I work on staff. The rules that they enforce are to give the students a good atmosphere to learn in. PCC is not for everyone and they do have high standards. The students have a quality education with plenty of opportunities to minister in the surrounding area with Bible clubs, street witnessing, retirement home services, and the like. The rules are there either as a Biblical principle or because something happened there in the past that they needed to make the rule so it won't happen again. Lastly, even though it is not accredited, students have gone on to other universities or jobs. They may have to go through extra requirements for some colleges, but that's not PCC fault; it's the state's. But the more students that graduate from PCC show the quality of education they've received when applying for another university or whatever, the better witness it gives the school. PCC does not want to be accredited because then the school would have to abide by government dictates. I hope this helps with some questions.

 

[gb93433]

I would go to a school that is not afraid to challenge your theological position. It needs to be a school that does not have a particular position to uphold due to a denomination or otherwise. It is important that you study various positions on a particulat theology. I enjoy knowing about other theological positions and then hearing the professor telling why he believes what he does.

After graduating from a seminary and took professors that were quite rigorous. For example I had two years of Greek whereas a lot of other seminaries take three years for the same material. I ended up taking some third year courses with the same professor that I had for Greek.

Where I live it is amazing how many pastors coming from conservative schools cannot think for themselves. Some of the seminaries they have attended take the view that they have a handle on the truth and therefore only study the truth. The only problem is many would disagree with some of their theology. When I wouild start out talking about some of the details I realized that they had not even heard of those points of view.

For example I have talked with two men who have a doctorate from two different seminaries out here and neither of them knew the Mishnah is. They had not even studied apochryphal literature, any of the intertestamental literature nor any of the OT pseudepigrapha. Studying this literature help to understand books like Jude and 2 Peter.

In my first year Greek course we were required to trace a word from the OT through the intertestamental period and as far as we could past the NT. The word I traced was quite shocking. I found out its roots and how it was later used and how another word came to replace it.

For example I have heard many pastors interpret Phil. 1:6 as a promise. It is not a promise. It is within the context of a prayer. Paul is commending them for their participation in the gospel. He is confident. But also it is the standard form of a letter in those days. Just as we would not use any diferent form for a spiritual or a secular letter. The content would be much different but not the basic form.

The secular form was a prayer to the gods or some deity. But in Paul's letters they are prayers to God.

I saw students who had been to other universities and colleges come into second year Greek who most of the time had two years at the college or university level and were behind just after we had just one year with him.

Other students who had him told me that a "C" with him was better than an "A" with anyone else.

I believe that if we are to take scripture seriously then we must aim to be well prepared to discover its gems. No seminary or college can do more than give an introduction and prepare us for a lifetime of study.

For a few years I taught college and high school. In the majority of cases I found that when a student was having trouble he did not understand the basics.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Originally posted by gb93433:
In my first year Greek course we were required to trace a word from the OT through the intertestamental period and as far as we could past the NT. The word I traced was quite shocking. I found out its roots and how it was later used and how another word came to replace it.

Say, would you go over to Theology and start a thread on that concept? Greek words with meanings that have changed. Sounds interesting to me.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

When I visited PCC in 1991, one of their "rules" was that a female student could not come within 12 inches of a male student.

We have the "12 inch rule" in our Christian School. I believe PCC is a good Bible based and academically sound college.

We need more colleges with high standards.

 

[Gayla]

the 12 inch rule or 6 inch rule is not unusual is it??

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

No. It is very common in Baptist High Schools and Colleges that have high standards.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by I Am Blessed 16:
No. It is very common in Baptist High Schools and Colleges that have high standards.

You know, the Pharisees had "higher" standards of propriety than Jesus, but their religion was corrupt and worthless.

Certainly there should be some basic standards of morality, but overzealous rulemaking usually leads to hypocrisy and rebellion. At best, it reduced religious convictions and faith to rule-keeping and faithlessness.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
In my first year Greek course we were required to trace a word from the OT through the intertestamental period and as far as we could past the NT. The word I traced was quite shocking. I found out its roots and how it was later used and how another word came to replace it.

Say, would you go over to Theology and start a thread on that concept? Greek words with meanings that have changed. Sounds interesting to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Probably the best way to explain this would be similar to how English has changed over time. We know that over the time of the OT the meanings of Hebrew words changed. It occured over a period of about 1300 years. If we go back to the LXX, through the intertestamental period on to past the NT and into the early church fathers and past we will see some slight changes and some rather radical changes in how words were used. If one were to look at how a word is used among the papyri and the philosophers and then among the early church fathers there sometimes will be a huge difference.

I am not sure how I could start a thread on this so that others would benefit much especially those who have not had language studies.

A list can be found at http://www.cranfordville.com/G102frame.html

Click on "Word Study Paper" a list is near the end.

 

[PastorGreg]

BB, in Matthew 23, Jesus told His disciples to do what the Pharisees taught, just not what they did. The problem was not their higher standards, the problem was that they were not willing to abide by those standards themselves. High standards, in and of themselves, do not create Pharisees and hypocrites.

 

[Ps104_33]

Certainly there should be some basic standards of morality, but overzealous rulemaking usually leads to hypocrisy and rebellion. At best, it reduced religious convictions and faith to rule-keeping and faithlessness.

I could give you a list as long as shaq's arm of secular colleges that used to be Baptist or some other denomination affiliated but are now dens of debauchery because they relaxed their standards and allowed liberals like yourself to take over. Temple in Philly just to name one. Princeton, Harvard, Baylor etc.

 

[Peter101]

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;PCC does not want to be accredited because then the school would have to abide by government dictates. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

I wonder if that is the reason, because accreditation is not a government responsibility. It is done by non-governmental organizations.

 

[gb93433]

The seminary I graduated from was Southwestern BAptist Theological Seminary and it was accredited. It was a good thing because it kept some of the power brokers from running roughshod over the faculty when they wanted to make a change. There were some things from the past that would be questionable ethically. Accreditation involves the faculty as well as the administration. When I was teaching high school the accreditation committee went around and personally interviewed students and faculty as well as the administration and then wrote a report.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by PastorGreg:
BB, in Matthew 23, Jesus told His disciples to do what the Pharisees taught, just not what they did.

If you check that passage, you’ll notice that He’s talking about their teaching of what Moses specified.

I was not talking about the Law, but of the religiosity – that is, the false standards of religious propriety – that the Pharisees taught and practiced. They were scandalized by the way that Jesus associated with the “sinners”, spoke to women and did not follow the “proper” social customs of their legalism.

High standards, in and of themselves, do not create Pharisees and hypocrites.

You are correct, but adding to the commandments of God – such as the rules for distance between person of opposite genders – often leads to legalism and hypocrisy.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by Ps104_33:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Certainly there should be some basic standards of morality, but overzealous rulemaking usually leads to hypocrisy and rebellion. At best, it reduced religious convictions and faith to rule-keeping and faithlessness.

I could give you a list as long as shaq's arm of secular colleges that used to be Baptist or some other denomination affiliated but are now dens of debauchery because they relaxed their standards and allowed liberals like yourself to take over. Temple in Philly just to name one. Princeton, Harvard, Baylor etc. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow… You make a lot of accusations and assertions in just a couple of sentences!

1.) There are many colleges and universities that have drifted from their focus as a Christ-based institution. As to them becoming “dens of debauchery”, I’m not sure what you mean. Certainly colleges and universities are full of sinners, but then, so are churches.

2.) Since you did not demonstrate that those colleges and universities are “dens of debauchery”, your allegation that it was caused by “relaxing of standards” is not very credible. Since you are speaking in generalities, I can only respond in generalities – I don’t think that’s the problem.

3.) You made a completely false allegation – “liberals like yourself”. I am not a “liberal” by any stretch of the imagination – unless you are simply name-calling and use the word to mean “someone with whom I disagree, but I am not thoughtful enough to challenge him with ideas, so I’ll just call him names”.

A person with “high” standards would not bear false witness.

 

[SteveB]

Originally posted by Peter101:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;PCC does not want to be accredited because then the school would have to abide by government dictates. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

I wonder if that is the reason, because accreditation is not a government responsibility. It is done by non-governmental organizations.

Well, regardless, the school wants to be able to run the school the way they feel the Lord leads. The school has many students that have gone to law school, medical school, major companies, and even hold state offices.