Actually, some of those you quote do not deal with God as in a Father/Son releationship. Most you quote actaully deal with the term 'Father' in the sence of originator or beginning of... But yes there are some that deal with the Relationship aspect. I never said there were none. You need to get you a good lexicon. Not every time you see a particular word does it mean what you hope it does. :)
However let me clarify what I meant but my statement.
If you will notice I stated our relationship is different and dramitcally so (concerning in part the Holy Spirit) which expounds to the differing aspect of the OT relationship with God. I refer to a relationship in which we know the Father and that He IS the Father where by we address Him specifically as God the Father. Something the OT saints did extradinarily few times to almost never. In the OT they prayed to the Almighty God (in many differing name that addressed different charactoristics), we in the NT are taught to Pray to "Our Father who art in Heaven". The NT saints have the Spirit of God indwelling and sealing us. The OT did not. This is some of what I am refering to when I say they could not call the God - our Father. (in the understanding and sence that we do)
However, if you will also notice I stated COULD NOT, I did not say CAN NOT.
The OT saints had a relationship with God but it was not something they understood very well if at all most of the time. It was a hidden or shroudded truth that they enjoyed but were on the whole ignorant of. This is why the we do not read consistantly in the prayers of the OT saints about God their Father and they His sons. They did refer to themselves as Children of God but in relation to their devotion to Him and His choosing them as His people. The relationship was something a small FEW were able to see with greater clarity than the mass through out their history, but still they did not share the Father/son Relationship we NT saints enjoy and to the fulness we enjoy it.
Our relationship is manifested and clearly understood in Christ. We are given the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Adoption Into Gods Family) bearing witness we are His children. And the Spirit of God will NEVER leave us but stay and reveal, lead, and guide us into a deeper relationship with God the Father. The OT saints did not have this relationship nor this type understanding concerning God their Father. It rested mostly on the form of a Title representing oringinator or beginning of...
No, John. We do not share the same type of relationship with God the Father that the OT saints did. We find consistantly God seen as Master and Ruler or greatest authority through out the OT with occational mentions of God being their Father (as in relational Father/son) but in the NT we see God as both Ruler AND Father predominantly and consistantly in the NT writtings.
Though we both are saved by faith we are different in purpose. They are Israel and we are the Church and both are children of One True and Living God.
Prevenient Grace
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by reformedbeliever, Apr 12, 2007.
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You say: But yes there are some that deal with the Relationship aspect.
DT 32:6 Is this the way you repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?
Why could they not call their Father Father? How was Jesus made in every way like His brothers if there are two sets of brothers? Heb 2:17.
HEB 11:39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
What's the difference you say? :) Are we not equal to that?
They were trying to figure out the coming of Christ just like we do.
1 Cor 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
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