Reaching people for Christ- The Way of the Master with Ray Comfort

[Alive in Christ]

Havens dad...

Rick Warren is not an evangelist. He is a false prophet and an antichrist.

What???

false prophet???

((ANTI-CHRIST???))

Please, tell me you are kidding.

I am not a huge fan of Rick Warren, but.....ANTI-Christ???

C,mon, brother.. He is preaching the gosple.

 

[Havensdad]

FYI, repeating something over and over again does not substantiate an argument nor does it make it true.

Then why do you keep repeating yourself?

 

[Havensdad]

Havens dad...



What???

false prophet???

((ANTI-CHRIST???))

Please, tell me you are kidding.

I am not a huge fan of Rick Warren, but.....ANTI-Christ???

C,mon, brother.. He is preaching the gosple.

He is most certainly NOT preaching the gospel. He preaches a "Christianized" version of self-help, that ignores sin, ignores repentance, and says nothing about the atoning work of Christ for undeserving sinners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1E8k_XUvhY

 

[Alive in Christ]

Havensdad...

I watched your linked vidio. I pretty much knew what was coming when I saw it was John McArther.

I came to undersand McArthur's legalistic ways years ago. I see that he is still a legalist.

God have mercy.

 

[annsni]

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.


Paul is most certainly talking about the same kind of preaching that we see him doing throughout the book of Acts: on street corners, marketplaces, the Aeropagus, etc.

ABSOLUTELY we see Paul doing this...almost exclusively.

Other than Mars Hill, where do we see him in Scripture standing on street corners preaching? Verses please?

 

[annsni]

He is most certainly NOT preaching the gospel. He preaches a "Christianized" version of self-help, that ignores sin, ignores repentance, and says nothing about the atoning work of Christ for undeserving sinners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1E8k_XUvhY

I've heard Rick Warren and he most certainly ignore sin or repentance and he is a pastor who has many to the Lord. To say otherwise is disgusting and denying the truth. I don't agree with some things he's done but to slander a man of God is dangerous IMO and speaks volumes about the heart.

 

[evangelist6589]

So far I haven't seen anyone here condemn street evangelism. It's a great tool, not to be confused with street preaching. If you've watched "The Way of the Master" lessons they do give excellent ways to reach people in everyday situations like walking down the sidewalk or in a park or wherever. They don't preach at the top of their lungs to strangers while standing on the street corners. Their method is about planting seeds in a very direct way.

Evangelist, please answer this question for me so I can better understand. Are you saying that if churches and their leaders aren't teaching this particular method and using it, that they are unbiblical? Are you assuming they are not doing ANY method of evangelism because they are not doing this TYPE of evangelism? It seems this is what your beef is.

Biblical evangelism is law to the proud and grace to the humble. People should be involved in evangelism no matter the context, but not everyone has the same method. For some it will be open air. For others it will be tract evangelism ONLY. For others it will be talking with strangers in a park. For others it will be preaching in a nursing home or jail, and so on.

So yes if I stated that evangelism is only on the streets then I was incorrect. Yes WOTM advocates often preach this, as they do so often on their Podcast, however they are mistaken. For example I heard Kirk on a recent podcast condemn friendship evangelism because the Mormons are so much better at it. However God can use a friendship, and the Law to the Proud and Grace to the humble approach.

 

[evangelist6589]

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.


Paul is most certainly talking about the same kind of preaching that we see him doing throughout the book of Acts: on street corners, marketplaces, the Aeropagus, etc.

ABSOLUTELY we see Paul doing this...almost exclusively.

I AGREE that it is the best and preferred method. However God can use friendships tracts, and one on one conversations as well.

 

[evangelist6589]

This is not just "a" method. It is a command of scripture. Any person who calls himself a preacher, who is unwilling to preach in the public square when given the opportunity, is a pretender.

Well I wont go that far. However street evangelism is something that many Christians must get involved in, however MOST do not. I cant condemn pastors that do not open air in the streets as then I would be condemning my favorite preachers and the following.

John MacArthur
Erwin Lutzer
David Jeremiah

 

[evangelist6589]

How dare you, sir. This young man takes a stand upon the scriptures, and you give him a bunch of liberal silly talk about "his opinion"?

Its not "his opinion." It is SCRIPTURE> pragmatism is a disgusting, idolatrous practice that has led the church into any number of godless practices, (such as the demonic "seeker sensitive" movement put out by false prophets like Rick Warren).

This young man is following scripture; he is commanded, as we all are, to REBUKE those who oppose sound doctrine.

Good for him. Shame on you.

Thank you. However he is not alone as I have been trying to persuade those in my singles group to do street evangelism, but my efforts have failed.

 

[evangelist6589]

Ev- Thanks for explaining the difference.

I've absolutely no problem with what you describe. Our Lord will use what he will use, and I've no doubt many people know Him because of it. The problem that I see is the idea that if street preaching is not emphasized by a church and/or practiced by individuals, they are assumed to not be reading their Bibles. You may think that you have Scripture on your side, but try to remember that not everyone has the same calling or ability. To make baseless accusations against the leaders in your church (in my opinion, they should count for more than your WOTM leaders), isnt right.

Having said that, there is something to say for your fervent attitude. It is commendable.

Then I was wrong. However Christians SHOULD get involved in street evangelism if possible. I say if possible because some live in rural areas away from cities and so for them friendship evangelism that would emphasize the Law to the proud and grace to the humble approach are the best.

 

[evangelist6589]

So...is your mote in one or both eyes? Calling Warren a false prophet and his methods demonic is borderline westboronian. Shame on YOU!

Rick Warren teaches a self-help gospel message. What he teaches have encouraged their "Christian Career" experts to teach self-help in their books. I cant say Warren is teaching another gospel, but I can say he is not healthy to listen too.

 

[evangelist6589]

How can you call an avid evangelist a "hyper calvinist?" You need a theological dictionary.

I did not accuse anyone. I stated, plainly, a fact. Rick Warren is a false teacher...an antichrist.

Yes he no question is misleading people, and has encouraged Christian career experts to right books with lots of self-help in them, and a book all about my fulfillment, rather than me being a "slave of Christ." I cant say Warren is a anti-christ, but I can say he has advocated lots of self-help which is not Bible but humanism.

 

[evangelist6589]

I've heard Rick Warren and he most certainly ignore sin or repentance and he is a pastor who has many to the Lord. To say otherwise is disgusting and denying the truth. I don't agree with some things he's done but to slander a man of God is dangerous IMO and speaks volumes about the heart.

I agree. Warren has got some unhealthy components, but I cant call him a heretic. I can just say he is in ignorance in certain areas.

http://www.saddleback.com/resources/spiritualhealth/

He has a mix of Psycho-babble books by likes such as Henry Cloud, mixed in with good authors like Ravi Zaharias and Keller.

 

[Havensdad]

Other than Mars Hill, where do we see him in Scripture standing on street corners preaching? Verses please?

Other than the synangogues, where ELSE do we see him preaching?

How about...

Act 14:7 and there they continued to preach the gospel.
Act 14:8 Now at Lystra there was a man sitting who could not use his feet. He was crippled from birth and had never walked.
Act 14:9 He listened to Paul speaking. And Paul, looking intently at him and seeing that he had faith to be made well,
Act 14:10 said in a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he sprang up and began walking.
Act 14:11 And when the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in Lycaonian, "The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!"

(note that this is in public...not in a synagogue...these were gentiles...)

IN FACT: other than Paul, if we look at all the disciples in the book of Acts, and do a search on the word for "preach", you will see that preaching was done in the synagogue (a place which was hostile to the gospel), from house to house/door to door, and in the public square. The one place you NEVER see preaching done, in the book of Acts, is in a big building made specifically for Christians...

 

[Havensdad]

I've heard Rick Warren and he most certainly ignore sin or repentance and he is a pastor who has many to the Lord. To say otherwise is disgusting and denying the truth. I don't agree with some things he's done but to slander a man of God is dangerous IMO and speaks volumes about the heart.

Fine. You show me a video of Rick Warren, preaching on sin, repentance, and judgment, where Rick Warren is commanding sinners to flee the wrath that is to come. {PREACHING IT...not in a video where Mr. Chameleon is pressed on the issue and reluctantly consents to the truth of it}. I will gladly retract my statement.

His videos and teachings are ALL over the internet. This should be NO PROBLEM.

 

[Havensdad]

Well I wont go that far. However street evangelism is something that many Christians must get involved in, however MOST do not. I cant condemn pastors that do not open air in the streets as then I would be condemning my favorite preachers and the following.

John MacArthur
Erwin Lutzer
David Jeremiah

Not so fast...

http://redeemedography.com/2011/05/28/john-macarthur-on-open-air-preaching/

“I remember when I started preaching, the first place I ever preached in my life was at a bus stop in South Carolina...." - John Macarthur

Erwin Lutzer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShK9KNceacA

 

[webdog]

Rick Warren teaches a self-help gospel message. What he teaches have encouraged their "Christian Career" experts to teach self-help in their books. I cant say Warren is teaching another gospel, but I can say he is not healthy to listen too.

Garbage. Show me one of the 5 purposes that is in error...better yet, show me how they fit into a "self help" formula. Won't be holding my breathe.

 

[webdog]

Then why do you keep repeating yourself?

Are you in grade school? Have you taken Havensdad's computer? Daddy needs it back.

 

[Havensdad]

Are you in grade school? Have you taken Havensdad's computer? Daddy needs it back.

What on earth are you talking about? You keep responding with useless comments that add nothing to the discussion. So again, why do you keep repeating yourself?