This novel philosophical idea that some are espousing, that first one is saved and then they repent as a result of salvation, is far from the truth of Scripture. God says either repent or perish.
Maybe some are beginning to believe they can loose their salvation, for if they refuse to repent subsequent to their salvation, according to some they will then perish?
Do not even try to use the sophistic notion, reasoning in a circle, that IF they do not repent, it proves they were never saved. Such foolish circular argumentation serves no other purpose but to provide meaningless cover for a failed belief in the first place, that repentance follows salvation and is not a condition of salvation.
Scripture is clear. Repentance is required to enter into a hope of eternal life.
Repentance
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Heavenly Pilgrim, Apr 17, 2012.
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Tell us how you never have done the same sin more than once. Tell us that HP and maybe we will take another look at your theory. -
HP: Careful putting words into my mouth that I have never stated, neither have I laid out such a scenerio period. Ask God Steaver. He will show you the way.
Now show us how you are even the least bit consistent with your direct remarks on repentance.
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When a J.W. comes to my door, I know they deny the deity of Christ. I often take them to John 1:1. Their NWT Bible says: "In the beginning was God, and the Word was with God and the Word was a god.
I tell them it doesn't say that; it is a mistranslation, deliberately translated to mislead them and others. They tell me I have an inferior translation. I tell them that there is no indefinite article in the Greek. What stops the argument is when I get my Greek NT nearby and ask them to read the verse for me. I can read it; they can't.
You are like those J.W.'s. I can read the Greek; you can't. Don't tell me I am translating from English back to Greek--whatever that means??
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Any view of repentance that does not involve godly sorrow is not the repentance God commands all to either do or perish.
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I notice how you always evade Steaver's question here. Why not answer it HP? -
We are speaking of salvation.
2Cor.7:10 where the phrase "godly sorrow" is used is directed to Christians, not to the unsaved.
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How about taking a serious look at what Steaver has posted, as opposed to doing a witch hunt as to my beliefs? :thumbs:
Have you been converted according to what Steaver has stated concerning repentance? -
You would have to be more specific. I see more posts by you about what Steaver has posted then by Steaver himself. Have you committed the same sin twice since you have been saved?
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DHK, I know full well how confusing things can get for you on these threads, so let me quote Steaver again for you.
HP: According to what Steaver says here, have you ever been converted? If so, how would you harmonize ones testimony of salvation with sinning every day? What kind of evidence would show forth true repentance from sins? How does sinning every day show forth the repentance Steaver speaks of,... without which, again according to Steaver, one really never was converted? -
DHK, could Steaver and his comments possibly be the one you need to address?:thumbs:
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If Steaver, for example, is using Moriah's definition of "repentance" (which isn't repentance at all), that changes the whole meaning of his statement. Repentance is not being sorry for your sins. -
I still haven't seen an answer from HP - even though it's been asked by MANY and has been asked numerous times.
HP - Have you sinned the same sin more than once since you've been saved?
I also recall asking how long has it been since you sinned? -
If godly sorrow is not involved in repentance, it is not the repentance God speaks of when He says, repent or perish.
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Just a note of wisdom to all posters, DHK wrote me up a while back for spamming the list, for asking more than one person the same question...... so use wisdom and do not bring unnecessary wrath down upon yourself........you spammers!:laugh:
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Ann, did I miss your response to asking your husband about one that says they repented of adultery, but keeps on committing it? :wavey:
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There is no such thing as "godly sorrow," when it comes to the unsaved. "Godly sorrow" means "God-like". No unsaved depraved individual is God-like. The word or phrase "Godly sorrow" is used in 2Cor.7:10 and refers to Christians only, not the unsaved.
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Steaver, DHK and possibly others are having a hard time understanding what you wrote. Can you explain those comments better to the list for us? Thanks.
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It is simple: Repentance is not and has nothing to do with: "being sorry for your sins."
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