--not my idea for a thread -- but got to "follow the interest" when it comes up.
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Hoekema's argument was totally destroyed by Walter Martin's book "Kingdom of the Cults" where Martin placed the SDA Christian denomination in the appendix giving it a huge amount of space for discussion and totally annihilated Hoekema's shallow arguments addressing Hoekema's book specifically - explicitly.
Martin was no SDA at all - but he knew a bogus argument when he saw it. Martin pointed out that half the time Hoekema was not even using the SDA published statements of belief for his straw-man arguments!! How sad that anyone could be snookered by Hoekema.
So then "reading" is not your strong suit??
As Christianity Today pointed out in 2015 - the SDA denomination is the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world and fastest growing (incidentally it is now over 25 million in attendance each Sabbath world wide.)
Or do you want a thread on "SDA not a Cult according to Walter Martin"??
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Fine... here it is.
Seventh-day Adventists - not a cult according to Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults"
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by BobRyan, Feb 7, 2018.
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And North Korea calls itself: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
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It's a cult according to me.
I could not care less what Walter Martin or CT have to say on the matter. I care what the Apostle Paul has to say on the matter. -
I am ok with that. -
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Twisting and adding or taking away from God's Word is always where Satan works. He did it in the Garden, and he does it still, in false prophets.
Exhibit One. From The Adventist Review, December 23, 1982.
Also appeared in Ministry, February 1983.
AFFIRMATIONS
- We believe that Scripture is the divinely revealed word of God and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
- We believe that the canon of Scripture is composed only of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments.
- We believe that Scripture is the foundation of faith and the final authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
- We believe that Scripture is the Word of God in human language.
- We believe that Scripture teaches that the gift of prophecy will be manifest in the Christian church after New Testament times.
- We believe that the ministry and writings of Ellen White were a manifestation of the gift of prophecy.
- We believe that Ellen White was inspired by the Holy Spirit and that her writings, the product of that inspiration, are applicable and authoritative, especially to Seventh-day Adventists.
- We believe that the purposes of the Ellen White writings include guidance in understanding the teaching of Scripture and application of these teachings, with prophetic urgency, to the spiritual and moral life.
- We believe that the acceptance of the prophetic gift of Ellen White is important to the nurture and unity of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
- We believe that Ellen White's use of literary sources and assistants finds parallels in some of the writings of the Bible.
- We do not believe that the quality or degree of inspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are an addition to the canon of Sacred Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White function as the foundation and final authority of Christian faith as does Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White may be used as the basis of doctrine.
- We do not believe that the study of the writings of Ellen White may be used to replace the study of Scripture.
- We do not believe that Scripture can be understood only through the writings of Ellen White.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White exhaust the meaning of Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are essential for the proclamation of the truths of Scripture to society at large.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are the product of mere Christian piety.
- We do not believe that Ellen White's use of literary sources and assistants negates the inspiration of her writings.
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But you did not find false doctrine or taking away.. or adding to the Bible here --
Exhibit One. From The Adventist Review, December 23, 1982.
Also appeared in Ministry, February 1983.
AFFIRMATIONS
- We believe that Scripture is the divinely revealed word of God and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
- We believe that the canon of Scripture is composed only of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments.
- We believe that Scripture is the foundation of faith and the final authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
- We believe that Scripture is the Word of God in human language.
- We believe that Scripture teaches that the gift of prophecy will be manifest in the Christian church after New Testament times.
- We believe that the ministry and writings of Ellen White were a manifestation of the gift of prophecy.
- We believe that Ellen White was inspired by the Holy Spirit and that her writings, the product of that inspiration, are applicable and authoritative, especially to Seventh-day Adventists.
- We believe that the purposes of the Ellen White writings include guidance in understanding the teaching of Scripture and application of these teachings, with prophetic urgency, to the spiritual and moral life.
- We believe that the acceptance of the prophetic gift of Ellen White is important to the nurture and unity of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
- We believe that Ellen White's use of literary sources and assistants finds parallels in some of the writings of the Bible.
- We do not believe that the quality or degree of inspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are an addition to the canon of Sacred Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White function as the foundation and final authority of Christian faith as does Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White may be used as the basis of doctrine.
- We do not believe that the study of the writings of Ellen White may be used to replace the study of Scripture.
- We do not believe that Scripture can be understood only through the writings of Ellen White.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White exhaust the meaning of Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are essential for the proclamation of the truths of Scripture to society at large.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are the product of mere Christian piety.
- We do not believe that Ellen White's use of literary sources and assistants negates the inspiration of her writings.
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From the horse's mouth:
Exhibit One. From The Adventist Review, December 23, 1982.
Also appeared in Ministry, February 1983.
AFFIRMATIONS
- We believe that Scripture is the divinely revealed word of God and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
- We believe that the canon of Scripture is composed only of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments.
- We believe that Scripture is the foundation of faith and the final authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
- We believe that Scripture is the Word of God in human language.
- We believe that Scripture teaches that the gift of prophecy will be manifest in the Christian church after New Testament times.
- We believe that the ministry and writings of Ellen White were a manifestation of the gift of prophecy.
- We believe that Ellen White was inspired by the Holy Spirit and that her writings, the product of that inspiration, are applicable and authoritative, especially to Seventh-day Adventists.
- We believe that the purposes of the Ellen White writings include guidance in understanding the teaching of Scripture and application of these teachings, with prophetic urgency, to the spiritual and moral life.
- We believe that the acceptance of the prophetic gift of Ellen White is important to the nurture and unity of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
- We believe that Ellen White's use of literary sources and assistants finds parallels in some of the writings of the Bible.
- We do not believe that the quality or degree of inspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are an addition to the canon of Sacred Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White function as the foundation and final authority of Christian faith as does Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White may be used as the basis of doctrine.
- We do not believe that the study of the writings of Ellen White may be used to replace the study of Scripture.
- We do not believe that Scripture can be understood only through the writings of Ellen White.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White exhaust the meaning of Scripture.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are essential for the proclamation of the truths of Scripture to society at large.
- We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White are the product of mere Christian piety.
- We do not believe that Ellen White's use of literary sources and assistants negates the inspiration of her writings.
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The Devil has the same fork in his tongue as does that document, and that makes perfect sense, as he is the original author. -
Churches such as these are worshiping at a cult facility?
St. John's Vancouver, Pastor David Short serves with Timothy Keller on The Gospel Coalition council
"For the past five years, we have been meeting in the Oakridge Adventist Church"
Founders Ministries - On Church Planting
"You will need a regular meeting place....This may mean that you use a...Seventh Day Adventist Church to get started." -
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Following a false prophet is done at the infinite expense of one's soul, and when there so much proof that Ellen G White was a false prophet in her own writings, no man can claim ignorance of such things when he faces the Living God.
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