Seventh-day Adventists - not a cult according to Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults"

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  1. thatbrian Well-Known Member
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    Yes, that has already been pointed out, and they agree that it's true.

    That one fact is enough to condemn the whole lot of them.
     
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    I went to their official site and looked at their doctrine and it does not look like # 11.
     
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    Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
     
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    It is a good chapter - but it is not about Paul trying to delete large sections of the Bible

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    Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

    But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

    Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
    19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


    Col 2
    20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
    21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
    22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

    Col 2
    20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
    21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
    23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)
     
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    Beliefs :: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

    #11

    By His death on the cross Jesus triumphed over the forces of evil. He who subjugated the demonic spirits during His earthly ministry has broken their power and made certain their ultimate doom. Jesus’ victory gives us victory over the evil forces that still seek to control us, as we walk with Him in peace, joy, and assurance of His love. Now the Holy Spirit dwells within us and empowers us. Continually committed to Jesus as our Saviour and Lord, we are set free from the burden of our past deeds. No longer do we live in the darkness, fear of evil powers, ignorance, and meaninglessness of our former way of life. In this new freedom in Jesus, we are called to grow into the likeness of His character, communing with Him daily in prayer, feeding on His Word, meditating on it and on His providence, singing His praises, gathering together for worship, and participating in the mission of the Church. We are also called to follow Christ’s example by compassionately ministering to the physical, mental, social, emotional, and spiritual needs of humanity. As we give ourselves in loving service to those around us and in witnessing to His salvation, His constant presence with us through the Spirit transforms every moment and every task into a spiritual experience. (1 Chron. 29:11; Ps. 1:1, 2; 23:4; 77:11, 12; Matt. 20:25-28; 25:31-46; Luke 10:17-20; John 20:21; Rom. 8:38, 39; 2 Cor. 3:17, 18; Gal. 5:22-25; Eph. 5:19, 20; 6:12-18; Phil. 3:7-14; Col. 1:13, 14; 2:6, 14, 15; 1 Thess. 5:16-18, 23; Heb. 10:25; James 1:27; 2 Peter 2:9; 3:18; 1 John 4:4.)

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    so then

    1 John 2:
    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
    2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
    3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
    6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    Matt 7
    13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
     
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    "same inspiration" -- do you mean "same Holy Spirit"?? If so -- just how many Holy Spirits do you have in your Bible???

    My Bible says Agabus, Philip's 4 daughters... all those in 1Cor 14 are inspired by the ONE AND ONLY third person of the Godhead - God the Holy Spirit according to 1Cor 12.

    Just what Bible are YOU reading??

    People here who settle for "emotionalism" over actual Bible reading are setting a bad example for others. Why do that?
     
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    Yet, we don't have 30,000 pages of their writings, alongside of the Bible, do we? We don't even have one.

    The Holy Spirit magnifies Christ, not Ellen White.
     
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    What if a Sda decided to stop attending on the Sabbath, firmlu conviced God has it set for Sunday now in the NC?
     
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    That would not fly. It would be in direct opposition to Ellen G White's instruction, which, as we know, is the very same thing as God's instruction.
     
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    Would they lose eternal life id died in that state?
     
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    SDA member is never assured of salvation because it is a works-based system. Here are some quotes:

    No man can say I am saved until he has endured test and trial, until he has shown that he can overcome temptation (The Kress Collection, Pg.120).

    This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that He has saved them…such teaching is a gross deception (Bible Echo, vol. 12, No. 6, 1897).

    Those who accept the Savior, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or feel that they are saved. This is misleading…Those who accept Christ, and in their first confidence say, I am saved, are in danger of trusting to themselves. They lose sight of their own weakness and their constant need of divine strength (Christ’s Object Lessons p. 155).

    This is especially troubling. SDA self-salvation is the antithesis of gospel Christianity.

    Not one of us will ever receive the seal of God while our characters have one spot or stain upon them. It is left with us to remedy the defects in our characters, to cleanse the soul temple of every defilement (Testimonies vol. 5, p. 214).

    All who receive the seal must be without spot before God--candidates for heaven (Testimonies vol. 5, p. 216).

    Not all who profess to keep the Sabbath will be sealed (Testimonies vol. 5, p. 213).
     
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    Sounds like the same salvationmodel Rome practices!
     
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    What if they started breaking the Commandments of God and engaging in taking God's name in vain...

    All these "what if" games...

    read the Bible!!
     
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    so then your complaint is "God told Ellen White TOO MUCH -- if He had given her LESS information then she could be a true prophet"

    Seriously?

    That looks to me like "emotionalism" not a bit of Bible support for it at all!!
     
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    Your arguments keep such a distance from the Bible - you dip into the realm of your own false doctrine which I am not even sure you believe.

     
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    The Holy Spirit magnifies Christ, not Ellen White. You have things backwards. You bow at the foot of a god who has no power to save. May the Living God grant you faith.
     
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    And does not join Satan as the "accuser of the brethren" or making emotional argument tirades against God's prophets.

    I think we all can see that point.

    Your "sola emotionalism" arguments seem to have no end.
     
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    Not to the SDA cult.