I totally don't get what you're saying from the passage. Daniel could still have eaten meat and not the king's meat, couldn't he? There's a guy I knew who I honestly couldn't stand and he ran a vineyard. To this day, I wouldn't purchase his wine ever - just a thick-headedness in me - but that doesn't mean I don't purchase wine. The king's wine doesn't necessarily mean the same kind as in alcoholic wine but it means that he would not drink the wine that the king owned, grew, etc. I'm sure there were other wine producers around there and that Daniel could have even made his own. That's how *I* read that Scripture.
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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by His Blood Spoke My Name, Aug 31, 2006.
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Read it again adn let scripture interpret scripture. Go into Proverbs and see that alcohol deceives and mocks. See God's command to have nothing to do with alcohol.
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If all wine was alcoholic, Daniel would have been defiling himself with any wine, not just the king's wine.
Don't you get dizzy arguing in circles?
The wine Daniel drank was different from that wine the king drank. It was not fermented.
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I read from the passage that grape juice is a mocker, and that when God said that wine was a blessing, he was really trying to just trick us and see if we would let the Spirit interpret Scripture for us and tell us that he wasn't telling the truth.
The previous statement makes as much sense as many here, who are trying to say that wine is not really wine when it's something good; it's only wine when it's bad. -
The previous statement makes as much sense as many here, who are trying to say that wine is not really wine when it's something good; it's only wine when it's bad.
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Sounds like something we do with our children...
When they are good, they are mine,
When they are bad, they are hers.
When The Bible says Wine is bad, it is alcoholic
When the Bible says Wine is good, it is grape juice
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I'm surprised that there is no mention (so far) that the Bible does in fact make a distinction between wine and grape juice:
He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried. (Num. 6:3)
And, of course, the Nazirite vow was only temporary:
And after [completing his vow and making his sacrifices] the Nazirite may drink wine. (Num. 6:20)
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Nazarite vow was not just temporary. Some would take the vow for life.
After vow was fulfilled, they were allowed to once again drink non fermented wine.
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Somebody on one of these threads did point that out. It was simply swept away and put into the proper "context".
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Or it was kosher and the king's wasn't.
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The choice is yours. No one is compelling you to fast, to follow a diet like Daniel's. It is not a directive that is given in the Bible. Obviously I don't have preconceived ideas from the Book of Daniel. Do you?
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What evidence do you have that he drank any alcoholic beverage?
I don't believe that Daniel ever ate of the "King's meat". It wouldn't have been "kosher." And he knew it.
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Also, notice that the KJV uses "liquor" for "juice" in verse three.
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You may be misreading me, Bro. I am not saying Daniel drank alcoholic beverage at all.
Daniel 10:3 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.
This time period was quite obviously a different time period from that in chapter one as in each chapter, Daniel is speaking of a different king.
Nebuchadnezzar in chapter one
Cyrus in chapter ten.
Just by the third verse of chapter 10, it is seen Daniel drank some kind of wine. As I have stated all along, I do not believe that wine Daniel drank was alcoholic. -
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yayin is generic. fermented or unfermented dependant upon the context.
Wine that makes the heart glad cannot be that same wine that Solomon warned about no matter how much you say they are the same. -
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