I'm not hating anyone, You attack my character because you have no substance on the content we debate.
The connection between: Loving Jesus—Obedience—Eternal Life
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Dec 16, 2016.
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Easy to refute. I'm going to let you interpret this, cause only an idiot could interpret it anyways otherwise.
1 Corinthians 10
13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. -
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The book of James is why so many hate the bible.
It targets the theme we are covering. Its no surprise why Martin Luther hated this book.
A BAPTIST didn't write James and sure the heck wasn't a Calvinist Baptist. They would lose their job in a heartbeat.
James 1
12Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
^God doesn't tempt anyone.
James 1
2Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, 3knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. 4And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
Endurance is required.
James 1
22But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. 25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.
^if you ever said anything close to that I would eat my own shoe!
Everyone knows BAPTISTS don't say these things. -
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James 1
22But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. 25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.
That would be interesting. Like explaining a hearer of the law who delude themselves and not a doer.
Or what does a unsaved "forgetter" forget? If he never had it and could never get it in the first place.
Maybe give me your study for Next page
James 2
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
Body = Faith
Spirit = Works
If you stack some dead bodies the spirit comes afterwards right? -
What is a person who thinks they are saved but does not obey God, doesn't care about His law and ignores His Word? A person who is delusional and unsaved. If this person started taking care of the homeless and building homes for those in need and giving up all he owns for those who need it more, is he suddenly saved? No. He has no faith. Faith is the life giving key. It is faith - the gift of God - that brings life, not works. But when Christ changes a heart, we see a life change. What do we see in the lives of the apostles? Life changes. What do we see in the life of the believer? Life changes. Just as breathing is the result of life in the body, so does works show us that there is faith life in the body.
Here is the study we did. I can highly recommend it and would suggest you listen to the teaching as well. VERY good stuff:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz9B5nB_gRN8bmNERmVGUDEwNTQ/edit
http://jenwilkin.podbean.com/category/james/
Oh and note that this Bible study is done by Jen Wilkin - a member of a Baptist church. ;) -
Paul said, "Why do you hate me for telling you the truth?"
"There is nothing new under the sun." (Solomon). -
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It depends on how you interpret "the whole counsel of Scripture".
Was it done with absolutely NO previous biases, etc.?
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I probably missed this part in your deliberations ...
James 1:
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
To summarize the above, which is the same olde story: Sin results in eternal death.
But, my favorite still remains ...
Romans 6:
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
Romans 6 teaches us: obedience > righteousness > holiness > eternal life.
So much for the righteous standing before God that your pastor says you have!
Warning:
Please keep in mind that Paul majors in presenting his dire warnings ...
with a hearty mixture of copious amounts of edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc.
They are mucho more palatable this way! -
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Are toddlers ready for full time jobs and raising their own families? Do infants feed themselves and make their own omlets? Do 5 year olds master the art of conflict resolution? No, they must mature and learn to grow up.
Same thing for Christians, man. We must mature and become who God wants us to be in Christ. The maturation process for a believer takes time. With that being said, it is God who Works in you to will and to do of His good pleasure. NO boasting even if you are doing what you are called to do. -
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
'"But this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days," says the Lord: "I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them." Then He adds, "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more"' (Hebrews 10:16-17).
Now, how about responding to the rest of my post?[/QUOTE] -
(E.G. He says those who LOVE Him will OBEY Him.
IMO, no one gets into heaven who does not love Jesus!)
Re: your question:
It depends on who really is saved ... who Jesus knows will be saved.
He has informed us that BOTH wheat and tares(weeds) live together
in that wonderful place called the Kingdom of God(heaven).
He asks us to NOT uproot the weeds because ...
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Those who actually practice righteousness are actually righteous!
(In God's eyes ... not in yours, or in mine.)
This is one proof that a person is correctly proceeding down
that narrow road of salvation ... Yes, salvation is a process!
E.G. 10 NT verses warn that we must ENDURE in our faith
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