I am not referencing anyone in particular. The more I study the more I see a Jewish background in scripture and not how so many Americans think they know who have a complete disregard for how a Jew would have understood what was written. How we think and how they thought are often very different. Scripture has seemingly contradictory statements but they are not contradictory when interpreted as a Jew would have.
From Walking In The Dust of Rabbi Jesus by Tverberg on page 132, "Marvin Wilson notes that often the biblical text uses "block logic" rather than the "linear logic" that we are more used to. Linear logic uses statements that build on each other in a tightly argued fashion: if a = b, and b = c, then a = c. Block logic groups together ideas that may come from opposite perspectives - such as from a human perspective and then a divine perspective. For instance, Jesus said, "Whoever comes to me I will never drive away," yet no one can come "unless the Father who sent me draws him" (John 6:37, 44)."
Top Ten Reasons not to join a Reformed Baptist Church
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Martin Marprelate, Mar 29, 2012.
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"there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" WS -
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he denied about everything else, did not address the actual teaching,probably went home and told the wife he did a great job....:laugh: -
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let me say this....seriously....I cannot read a persons heart, we know only God can....This man did not deny the trinity:thumbs:
However...he denied about everything else....
As he preached this message, between the 12-15 minute mark..listen to what he said.....he could just talk to a sinner and get the sinner to believe is what he said....no mention of God giving the sinner a new heart, enabling the sinner...he goes to eph 2....and says that they evil calvinists say the Spirit must quicken the dead sinner......Hello....This is exactly what the text says....he claims it is not necessary.
I do not believe the Spirit of truth is having this man deny the scriptures...it is all of His flesh.
Unless he repents of opposing truth he will stand at the white throne saying...
I cannot believe in a God who chooses one and does not choose another, as he says a few times in this message. My god does not do that! Indeed...but his god will not save him when he hears depart from me ,you who work sin, I never knew you.
Salvation is not a multiple choice.....have it your way propositon....it is God given....in your attempts to fight against what you believe is error...you do a better job of trying to engage the scriptures than this person.
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What unsaved Jews thought,and all this second temple judaisim ideas have nothing to do with the scriptures being revealed by God.....all there thinking led them to crucify Jesus. What matters is God's revealation of His truth...not what natural men ,thought or did not think. -
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Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
--Paul did not talk about the new heart, the inner working of the Spirit, etc., either. His message was to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, just like you heard in that message. What is so different?
Paul didn't explain that to the Philippian jailer.
Paul didn't explain those things in Romans 10 where salvation is clearly explained, and neither in 1Cor.15:1-4 where the gospel is defined.
Like I said: You want it "Your way or the highway."
That whosoever shall believe on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That whosoever believes on him shall be saved.
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calvinists believe all the whosoever will verses...even the ones that are not there like jn 3:16
Spiritual death...the word is necrous...corpse.
You friend did not mention the Holy Spirit.
Keep in mind DHK....I listened to your link, unlike several you said you would not listen to...you did not have time.:laugh:
The excuse that the covenant teaching is "man made" is very shallow and unbiblical in itself.
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Ferguson is very gracious...but I doubt he would put up with much of this Spirit denying heresy. He says he can just convince sinners to believe....never mentions the need of the Spirit to do anything to the sinner.
Goes to Eph 2...but then denies that God needs to quicken the sinner,despite paul writing that in eph2???? unbelievable:laugh: -
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and all I gotta say in closing is THANK YOU for cutting through all the nonsense & telling the truth :thumbs: -
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The fallen sinners that God elected were flesh and blood, so Jesus took part of the same....hebrews 2:9-16.
after creation and the fall,God introduced his covenant to mankind...we read about this in Moses writings.
In Deut 7...God elects out from the nation of Israel His remnant.....In Isa 40-54...The Servant of Jehovah is declared to be God's elect servant...
In the Nt we learn that we are elect in Him.
http://www.founders.org/library/dagg_vol1/bk7c4.html#sec1
http://www.founders.org/library/boyce1/ch29.html
http://www.kenscustom.com/bible/election.htm
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Can you teach any of what these men teach? can you offer an alternative?
Take election for example.....write your own explanation for the biblical teaching, and improve upon what dagg offers....do it right here in this thread.
Then take the topics discussed in the 1689 confession of faith....write your own understanding of it in your own words ...I will print them out and compare....let's see who knows what the bible teaches.
Do you just despise the teaching so much ,that you can not learn from these men....or are you just too lazy to read through and work on improving your knowledge of Divine truth.
you say you believe the bible....good, so did Dagg. lets see who knows what the bible teaches...dagg wrote down his understanding...now this is the time where you are being asked so to speak.......to put up, or shut up.....I think that is how the expression goes!
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