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    i have answered it sufficiently.

    Why are you asking me? Do you believe I am one of those who sells this gold without money?

    The Seven churches represent the abysmal condition into which most of "Christendom" has fallen.

    In fact even a head full of orthodox doctrine/dogma, knowing all the right things to say, all the right creeds to repeat, hanging around all the right people as good as that is - is only half the answer to the Rev.3 question.

    1 Corinthians 13 is the other half.
    Agape love is the eternal gold of heaven.
     
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    Continuing.....
    The Lesson of the Fig Tree MATTHEW 24:34-36

    …34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away,but My words will never pass away. 36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.…

    The hope here at Victory's corner is to weed out all false doctrine in denominations, allowing only Truth to Stand!
    Truth is not what one makes it , or as one sees it, it is just so. It is irrefutable, undeniable, factually exact! It is real, perfectly sound
    and loved by those who seek it!

    35. "My words will never pass away". That is a very deep statement. If I may , if a person is holy anointed by the Lord, then every word which proceeds from that person's mouth is the Word. You are therefore , His words. And since each person who is holy anointed speaks according to the commission of Christ then all who uphold His Word and speak it are His words.

    You are after all what you practice and what you preach. So those in His covenant clearly, shall always remain.

    Jeremiah 31:32-34
    Mourning Turned to Joy
    …32It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt—a covenant they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”…

    Those of the House of the Lord are therefore, His Living , Breathing Word so forth and so on each in his own position.This will lead to the understanding of the Book of Life. I will address that a little later on. But I surmise those who Love Christ get the picture.

    CONCERNING MOTHER MIRYAM (MARY):
    Concerning All things Mother Miryam (Mary): IMMACULATE CONCEPTION-
    Considering that the Blessed Mother seems to be a bone of contention for most all governing

    Denominations I figured I would address this. I would ask the reader to keep in mind, that in the

    Old Testament there seems to be no trouble with translation concerning the meaning of

    Words and the application of them. But when it comes to Mary and the Language of the New

    Testament, many “doctrinal fathers” and/or religious leaders seem to have a hard time grasping the meaning of words.

    They tend to ascribe to them completely unfounded meanings, which defy the clear meanings

    of the text and / or verses. This then creates a convoluted mess , and arguments amongst denom-

    inations. This goes back to what Philippians 2:

    One in Christ

    1Therefore if you have any encouragement in Christ, if any comfort from His love, if any fellowship with
    the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being of one mind, having the
    same love, being united in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in hu-
    mility consider others more important than yourselves.…

    With that said let’s take a look at scripture ,and look at all things concerning the Blessed Mother.
    All doctrines and dogma established by man should , if true, be found in the Word.

    First prophecy concerning her: Genesis 3:15

    Genesis 3:15

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; He shall crush
    thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.



    Enmity:en·mi·ty

    'enm?de/

    noun

    noun: enmity; plural noun: enmities



    the state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.

    synonyms: hostility, animosity, antagonism, friction, antipathy, animus, acrimony, bitterness, rancor,
    resentment, aversion, ill feeling, bad feeling, ill will, bad blood, hatred, hate, loathing, odium; More



    The enmity between the Woman (Blessed Mother) and the serpent would be the Holy Spirit.

    Isaiah 7:13-15

    The Sign of Immanuel

    …13Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men,
    that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Be-
    hold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. 15"He will eat curds
    and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.…



    “A Virgin shall be with child”. The Holy Spirit came between Miryam(Mary) and the serpent,

    between his(serpents) seed= knowledge, and her seed = her Son. He (Christ)crushes the serpents head, the serpent bruised

    His heel. This is Christ’s flesh, it is only the heel of what He is. The serpent could NOT conquer

    His Divine supernatural part.

    Now the question is , “Is Mary immaculate”? First lets address the meaning of an immaculate thing.

    Immaculate:

    im·mac·u·late

    i'maky?l?t/

    adjective

    adjective: immaculate

    (especially of a person or their clothes) perfectly clean, neat, or tidy.

    "an immaculate white suit"

    synonyms: clean, spotless, ultraclean, pristine, unsoiled, unstained, unsullied; More

    shining, shiny, gleaming;

    neat, tidy, spick and span;

    informalsqueaky clean, as clean as a whistle

    "an immaculate white shirt"

    perfect, pristine, mint, as good as new;

    flawless, faultless, unblemished, unspoiled, undamaged;

    excellent, impeccable;


    antonyms: dirty, worn, damaged

    free from flaws or mistakes; perfect.

    "an immaculate safety record"
    synonyms: unblemished, spotless, impeccable, unsullied, undefiled, untarnished, stainless;

    CONTINUED.....
     
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    From the "What it's worth" dept
    You post (s) are excessively long.
    Didnt ever bother to read it.

    Now, if you can get it down to two or three paragraphs.......
     
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    See,I have been studying for many years under the direct hand of the Lord. I know that because this title and statement "I am the Immaculate Conception" is rejected by all outside of the Catholic Church because it came to the little ones of that assembly, it is considered to be from satan.

    But this theological discussion "Immaculate Conception" existed centuries BEFORE it was even defined. And before any apparition, it is in the bible. Not in direct wording, but nor is the title Holy Trinity. However, through the commonsense of the Holy Spirit anyone can see that the Holy Trinity is a most befitting title for Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    So where is this Immaculate conception in the New Testament?
    1 John 3:9
    9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

    A Conception is a seed. The seed in this case is the Word. Mother Mary not only believed the Word spoken to her and conceived it in her heart she conceived literally in her flesh the Male Child called Emmanuel. God is truly with her in every sense of the word. She was Immaculately conceived by the Word when the Holy seed entered her. This is the start of any birthing processes. She is BORN AGAIN through Christ Spirit at the moment of her YES. John is clear 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
    The Holy Immaculate Conception of God is also her Immaculate Conception. But she had her conception and rebirth instantaneously for the purpose of the Word. Oh! and yes Mother Mary was baptized through water,that is another discussion I want to focus on one thing at a time.

    Now , knowing who God the Father is, and who God the Son is, and who God the Holy Spirit is,
    we know they are perfect. God from God, light from light,three parts of the One true God revealed in three divine ways Begotten
    and not made.For God is not made.

    The Holy Spirit is the mutual love between the two and precedes from both the Father
    and the Son, a masculine divine love that a Father has for a Son and a Son for a Father.
    This..... the Power of the Most High overshadowed Mary, and she was Immaculately Conceived and Immaculately conceived God the Saviour by the Holy Spirit .She begot God spiritually, not created God, Yeshua( Jesus Christ) . But He chose her flesh to become flesh -THE SON OF MAN.

    Begotten of the Holy Spirit, her egg became the placement for the holy seed and from her the design of His flesh, this was therefore, an Immaculate Conception. I am right because the Holy Spirit is immaculate. Nothing made
    spotless can be made so by an unclean application.

    Now, the Incarnation part happened once this
    Immaculate Conception part happened . Incarnation is flesh at the moment of conception
    becoming in design . Now the next question is, “Can scripture contradict itself”? Of course not.

    Why? Because we are told ( Love hammering this point home) scripture is for:2Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-Breathed

    …15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation
    through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for conviction,
    for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete,
    fully equipped for every good work.…

    So, scripture alone is what we need to lean on to understand who Mary is, what Mary is,
    and when Mary become Immaculate. Scripture will reveal ALL THINGS! The reason for this magnification of the Word is to give greater clarity and detail concerning study of the Word. ( She is our magnifying glasses "my soul magnifies the Lord". She magnifies the Lord what for herself? No for a lamp is not put under a measure but is put upon the mantle to give light to all in the House. She is to magnify the Lord for others. Her magnification is that of which is the greatest given to anyone by Christ.
    She rejoices in Christ! To Him she gives all the glory. This because he exalted her.

    Though the little ones of the Catholic Church had this Title "Immaculate Conception" affirmed to them, the meaning of it has NOT been revealed until this Rev.12 season. Why? Because unbeknownst to most, the messages given to the Catholic Church from heaven have been altered. This will bring about the curses and punishments upon her spoken of in the book of Revelation.

    See, the Catholic hierarchy has wanted to maintain her status . If the true messages were revealed they fear and have feared- that their image and power would diminish. She has always been more concerned with her power as oppose to pleasing God. She has been a VERY BAD QUEEN. And shall not sit a queen for very much longer! All the true Marian apparitions ( I say true because YES some are not) have been WARNINGS to the Catholic hierarchy . What happens when you do not heed the KINGS corrections ? Not going to end well for the Harlot.

    The apparitions which profess and glorify the Incarnation and do not contradict Christ nor make herself equal to Christ are true. Mother Mary is in the temple of God at Christ's right hand but is not His equal it is enough for anyone to be like Him for she is who she is because of Him. NO one is Christ's equal. He is the only Redeemer. No one is co-redeemer because all are His vessels who serve Him. At all times He is who redeems all people . The title of Saviour and Redeemer are His ONLY all the time.

    All the Blessed Mother's messages which have been buried , twisted and misconstrued are still available for all to see. That is the mystery unfolding during this Revelation 12 season. No ONE puts Christ's Mother in a corner! The scriptures reveal them.

    Continued.......
     
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    Don't read them. Is that suppose to be MY problem? If you do not want to read them , yet want to give opinion, that only shows you to be resolved to mediocre . If that. The point of you saying what you have, is simply a slight. That is not Christian and you know it. Seems you have been salted :Tongue.
    Your attitude is a reflection of how PUT OFF you are. And this without even reading? I say the presents of the Spirit of the Lord is put off :Devilishenough for you then.
     
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    So OLW Have you figured it out?

    Its not enough to be a God encyclopedia although that is a good endeavor.

    GOD is love. The other half of Rev 3 you are looking for.

    We go from 1 Corinthians 13 (Agape Love) to 1 Corinthians 15 (The gospel of Love).

    1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    This is the gold from heaven whereby we enter His kingdom not just being a God-expert.

    John 3
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Is the Gospel we preach to the world inclusive or exclusive?

    Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
     
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    So OLW you have a "pause" in post 25 and a flame in 26.
    See you soon?
     
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    Who said there is enough of anything in God? Encyclopedia....everlasting Gospel , eternal knowledge. Point?
    Perhaps this "other Christian denominations" part of the forum should be eliminated? I mean after all, to have such a forum must mean you all think you have the goods? I notice when I enter the room , many feathers get ruffled. Is that because I am NO threat? I say.... quite the contrary. No one has heard the everlasting gospel like this. I will add and no one can refute it either.

    You know I do not come on my own authority.That is the problem for most in here. I know.....who would REALLY ever think that they would live during a time such as this? A lot of talk of what is at hand, but it is now TRULY at hand....THE EDIFICATION.

    Who am I, who is anyone to question who God decides He will use to give it?
     
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    1 Corinthians 2:15-16
    …15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
    As the First to Know, the Revelation 14 too have the mind of Christ:
    The Lamb and the 144,000
    1Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and (His Father’s name written on their foreheads.)
    The Fathers name on your MIND means you have the mind of Christ. Also, that you are claimed as a FIRST fruit unto God. He has claimed this first harvest as His own to teach (SING THE NEW SONG THAT ONLY THEY CAN LEARN). A second havest will follow but due to the Elect of this generation. All the second harvest are part of the SECOND resurrection.
    The the first fruit are also those who sit upon thrones:
    Rev.20:4
    4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge.

    There are two groups in the Rev.20 verses.

    4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge(ONE GROUP). THE AND which follows =another group
    And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.…

    These are all first fruits unto God.

    The second resurrection-
    5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
     
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    Lots of information and scripture OLW. Impressive.

    But again, what are you doing with this knowledge? Why is knowledge and wisdom given to us sinners?

    OLW - here to me is the model GOD gives us from Scripture,

    Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    yes its under the Old Covenant but as we saw from the
    Revelation chapter 22:7 WHOSOEVER WILL are those He desires to reason with.

    Even more (probably the most) important thing is that He actually reasons with us.

    Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

    What do we bring to the BB with all our knowledge and what benefit to the readers many of whom are seeking truth through the prompting of the Spirit of Truth?

    Do we push them away or help them to understand GOD has forgiven their sins (though they are as scarlet they shall be as snow)?
     
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    Original sin was Adam's disobedeince. What caused mankind's sinful nature was tbe receiving of God's knowledge of good and evil. The preincarnate Son said to the Father "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." -- -Genesis 3:22.
     
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    All I am saying is that Baptist Board is not a Seminary Education. IMHO many members probably just skim over your posts.

    Post the longest comments you have - (no rules precludes such decisions) But normally, you will not see a lot of response. -

    Baptist Board is not a full time activity for me thus I do not spend all day on it.. If you have the time - go for it.
     
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    You got it dude:Thumbsup! Just spreading seed .What fertile ground it lands on the waters of life will abound. Not seminary, yet a lot of teaching going on by Baptist, go figure:Rolleyes. It is good to have different perspectives ,otherwise how does one know who is approved among all? Most will never have the chance to have the heavenly Father speak for them ,through them if never confronted.
    I am blessed when confronted I am never at a lost for words LOL! Blessings.
     
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    yes blessings :)

    1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    don't forget the meekness and fear.
     
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    Luke 12:5 I will show you the one to fear. You should fear God, who has the power to kill you and also to throw you into hell. Yes, he is the one you should fear
    .Meekness and fear ???? Toward whom? I fear God alone and my meekness is in knowing from whom my life comes and who has the power, JESUS CHRIST. Do not misconstrue admonishment as a lack of meekness on my part toward MY GOD. It is because I am meek and humble of heart that He chose me to begin with. Hence, I am a servant, a slave to Christ. Boldness is not a lack of meekness.
    bold·ness
    /ˈbōldnəs/


    noun
    noun: boldness
    1. 1.
      willingness to take risks and act innovatively; confidence or courage.
    2. 2.
      the quality of having a strong, vivid, or clear appearance.

    1 Corinthians 2:15-16
    …15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
    Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5
    6 For though the Lord is high, he regards the lowly,

    but the haughty he knows from afar.

    34 Toward the scorners he is scornful,

    but to the humble he gives favor.

    23 One's pride will bring him low,

    but he who is lowly in spirit will obtain honor.

    12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

    52 he has brought down the mighty from their thrones

    and exalted those of humble estate;

    6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

    5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
    I am subject to the 24 elders of heaven.

    Meekness does not mean, to not be brave nor does it mean to NOT speak with boldness. Truth is a two edged sword after all, it is of the Holy Spirit which cuts to the bone and marrow and separating spirit from spirit. A two edged sword does not feel good.
    "Therefore if you do not repent I will come against you with the sword of My mouth".
    I AM MEEK as my Lord is, you just can not deal with - I WILL NOT BOW DOWN TO ANY MAN"S false doctrine as if to My Lord. The sword of His mouth are His mouth pieces- the saints . It is through them that He fights lies . I am nothing, the Witness will slay quite literally(with the fire of the Holy Spirit) men. As what happened with Ananias and Sapphira,

    Acts 5:1-11 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
    Ananias and Sapphira
    5 But a man named Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property; 2 with his wife’s knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 “Ananias,” Peter asked, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, were not the proceeds at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You did not lie to us but to God!” 5 Now when Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard of it. 6 The young men came and wrapped up his body,then carried him out and buried him.

    7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you and your husband sold the land for such and such a price.” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and died. When the young men came in they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear seized the whole church and all who heard of these things.

    My hope is to spare as many as possible from the trial which is soon to come upon the earth to try all men OF THE WORLD.
     
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    Question for you, Salty. Why do you not question the MO of 'Protestant' or
    'Alofa Atu??? 'Protestant' has started thread after thread without engaging or discussing anything, and yet you allow him to cut & paste his garbage over and and over. Alofa Atu is not here to discuss anything but to cut & paste false teaching after false teaching. The only time he actually engaged me in discussion was when I uncovered the SDA abortion mills operating day in and day out with SDA approval.

    Please review 'Protestants' threads and tell me how what he does is any different than what is bothering you here?
     
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    OfLivingWaters, SAID
    Good - speaketh for thyself as well
    In Revelation chapter one
    1. Everyone knows it is Jesus coming in glory
    2. No ONE IS HAPPY
     
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    The Lord speaks for me. You are not upset because I speak for myself. That would be accepted. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16
    …15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

    So far it has proven to be a futile pursuit to challenge the mind of Christ in me, for ANYONE who has confronted me. "Jesus I trust in you" My Boast:
    Jeremiah 9:23-25
    …23This is what the LORD says: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, nor the strong man in his strength, nor the wealthy man in his riches. 24But let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD, who exercises loving devotion, justice and righteousness on the earth— for I delight in these things,” declares the LORD.
    And my beautiful brother Paul reiterates what my honorable brother the prophet Jeremiah said.1 Corinthians 1:31
    31Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”
    I love you my Holy family may I run my race and win, that I may take hold of that which Christ has laid hold of me for. All glory to the Most High Priest Yeshua ha Meshiach .
     
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