dhk
You say if Christ did not come in mary's sinful flesh and blood then He was not human or He was not flesh and blood.
Christ was a Human Being, a real Human being with Flesh and Blood, But He did not get it from mary, neither did the First Adam receive human genetics from a woman, Neither Adam did !
Christ, the Last Adam, became a baby to pass through all the physical experiences of His Sheep. The only difference is that the First Adam was made already an Adult, all the other elect would enter through child birth, so Jesus Christ had to be made perfect in His Human experience of each Elect, so He was born out of a woman, However, Just as the First Adam did not need anything from a woman to be made real flesh and blood, neither did Christ, but He did need to pass through all the experiences of all the other elect subsequent to Adam. Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Adam never experienced childhood temptations as the rest of the elect !
Now to say that Jesus Christ, the Last Adam had to receive flesh and blood from mary to be a real human being shows lack of faith in God's Ability, and disregards the Fact that the First Adam was Flesh and Blood without mary or any other woman.
You base your faith on natural science, and not the word of God !
Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Feb 26, 2012.
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That is your reasoning. It is circular and illogical.
You are denying the special creation of Genesis one, and using it as an excuse to circumvent the human birth of Christ. If that were the case we could use the creation as an "excuse" to circumvent the "human" birth of us all, and simply declare that we all are aliens.
You are not even logical in your arguments.
Here is what the Bible says:
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
--It talks of Abraham not Adam. He took upon himself the seed or the flesh of Abraham, not Adam. It is speaking of physical nature here as he is being contrasted to the nature of angels. He was a spirit in heaven, higher than the angels. Then he made himself lower then the nature of angels (lower then spirits), and confined himself to a body--starting with the conception of Mary.
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14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Christ is the Last Adam 1 Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
This is the inspired word of God you are calling a red herring ! -
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This is why the promise is of "her seed" not the seed of the man - Gen. 3:15. This why the egg within her body obtained conception of life by God not by fertilization through the "seed" of man. Yet, because Mary was of the "seed" of Adam and of the "seed" of Abraham and of the "seed" of David, thus Christ also through Mary was of the "seed" of Adam, Abraham, and David. -
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Says who ? The Mother is sinful. What you are saying is that if any person would have come out of mary without the assistance of the male sperm or any woman for that matter, they would be sinless. You have no biblical grounds for such a assertion.
However, Christ was not from mary's egg ! There is not one shred of biblical proof of that.
Scripture is very plain that , what she conceived was of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
The word of here is ek the prep that means :
out of, from, by, away from
Its a primary prep denoting origin !
That which was conceived in her did not originate out of her egg, its source was the Holy Ghost.
The word conceive merely means, brought forth by her or born by her, or delivered by her.
The english word also adds :
to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.
2.
to form a notion or idea of; imagine.
3.
to hold as an opinion; think; believe: I can't conceive that it would be of any use.
4.
to experience or form (a feeling): to conceive a great love for
The Idea is that of forming or formulate. That is the Christ Child in her from the Holy Ghost was formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh Rom 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Phil 2:6
6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Mary by God's intervention did Two things, Gave Christ the form of a Servant, and made Him in the likeness of sinful flesh. Thats it. He did not receive one thing from her, what he already was , was Just formed or shaped into the form and likeness God appointed.
Nothing you have said is substantiated by scripture, but everything I have stated has been collaborated by scripture !
You are teaching the doctrines of men, humanism !
Now this is the second or third time I have refuted your foolishness about Christ coming out of the egg of mary ! -
--This was a miraculous event. The Bible indicates that He was conceived of Mary; conceived of the Holy Spirit. Both are used. No doubt God Himself fertilized the egg, which is referred to as "the seed." God used Mary--her flesh, her blood to bring for the body of the Lord Jesus Christ which housed God in the flesh. He was fully man and fully God at the same time. It could be no other way. That is why He was virgin born, so that He would escape the sin nature of man, which is passed through man (otherwise called the Adamic nature).
--That is plenty of evidence for me. Why do you reject it? To conceive there must be an egg.
The english word also adds :
to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.
2. to form a notion or idea of; imagine.
3. to hold as an opinion; think; believe: I can't conceive that it would be of any use.
4. to experience or form (a feeling): to conceive a great love for
The Idea is that of forming or formulate. That is the Christ Child in her from the Holy Ghost was formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh Rom 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/quote]
It was in the likeness of sinful flesh because though human flesh it was, it was not sinful. That was the likeness.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Mary by God's intervention did Two things, Gave Christ the form of a Servant, and made Him in the likeness of sinful flesh. Thats it. He did not receive one thing from her, what he already was , was Just formed or shaped into the form and likeness God appointed.[/quote]
He received a body from her--flesh and blood that was conceived of the Holy Spirit and therefore without sin.
It is a combination of Mormonism, Gnosticism, and your own vain philosophy. It is outside the realm of Orthodox Christianity. You are completely on your own here. -
dhk
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
You deny that ? You deny Truth ! -
Science and the Bible are in harmony at this point. Go to a biology book.
Look at that which you have bolded. It takes two to bring about conception. Mary was a virgin, but nevertheless provided one part. As it says, "that which is conceived in her." The Holy Spirit provided the other: "is of the Holy Ghost." His human nature came from Mary; His divine nature was of the Holy Spirit.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. -
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