Did Jesus truly "share in our infirmities"? Was he flesh in the sense he had a human nature as is common to man, or was he human in a different way (a different kind of humanity from us)?
Was Jesus human like us or a different kind of human?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Apr 26, 2018.
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Yes, Jesus was human like us but without sin.
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No. Jesus was not human like us. Jesus could never become sick or, short of being killed, die.
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And before sin and the fall, was no death, so jesus being liek the First Adam before the fall, would have lived on! -
By this I mean Jesus didn't get sick, catch a cold, and couldn't die unless he was killed.....right? -
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To illustrate, God placed a rainbow in the sky as a sign of his promise. BUT we can't say that had God not made the promise there would be no rainbow. -
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24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body`s sake, which is the church; Col 1 -
Correction: Colossians 1:24
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We don't know the o/p answers because we aren't told the details.
He was made flesh and dwelt among us. -
We know that Jesus was made "flesh" like we are "flesh".
We know that Scripture only offers two natures: "flesh" and "spirit"
We know that Jesus shared in our weakness.
We know that in order for Jesus to be our High Priest he had to have been one of us.
We know that Jesus was tempted in all points as we are.
We know the nature of temptation is an appeal to the flesh.
We know that Jesus came in "corruptible" flesh.
We know that Jesus suffered in his flesh the things that we suffer.
We know that Jesus grew, as we grow.
We know that Jesus aged.
We know that Jesus grew weak, hungered, grew thirsty.
We know that Jesus possessed a "will of the flesh", but that he submitted this will to the will of the Father.
And, of course, we know that Jesus was without sin.
There is much mystery to the Incarnation, but not so much as we need to think of Jesus as having a pseudo-human nature (when compared to mankind).
Even without this argument, God subjected all of creation to futility. Jesus came in a created (physical) body - a part of creation. He would have been subject to the same suffering as creation. -
Jesus came to us in the flesh (sarx) but He did come to us in a manner in which none of us did.
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. -
In fact, if Jesus was born with the same sin nature all of us have after the fall, He would not qualify to be the Messiah! -
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Romans 5:12 (Young's Literal Translation)
Because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
Not "all will sin" but "all did sin", the "did sin" is aorist tense along with "death did pass", we all "did sin".
The result:
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Deny all you wish, alter our interpretation all you wish, we disagree.
let the readers decide. -
Second, an interpretation is not proof. Proof would be a passage denying James 1. Proof would be biblical affirmation of this "third" nature. Proof would be even one verse where Jesus speaks of three natures - two kinds of flesh and the spirit.
Scripture tells us that the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God. That is enough to justify why we will not inherit the kingdom (because the Bible says so). But no where does Scripture tell us that we sin because we are created to sin (because we have been made with a "sin nature").
More problematic, however, is how the idea of a third nature (a human nature common to man but foreign to Christ) applies to Christ. -
I would suggest that He, knowing the folly of a poor diet, probably ate in a healthy manner. That is a likely reason we do not hear about Him getting sick, lol.
Of course I'm guessing on that with a limited understanding of rainbows.
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God bless. -
Paul is suffering on their behalf, rather than the concept that Christ did not suffer enough.
God bless.
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