What does dividing God into parts (which I don't do) have to do with omniscience?
Was Jesus human like us or a different kind of human?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Apr 26, 2018.
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Yes, Jesus was human like us but without sin.
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No. Jesus was not human like us. Jesus could never become sick or, short of being killed, die.
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It is easy to see how he views things as a human being, but also as God. Depending on his mission. -
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Jesus supernaturally knew certain things because the Father told the God/man Jesus those things. That is how he could, for instance, know the thoughts of others or heal from a distance and know that it was done, because He was in touch with the Father and the Spirit. That's also why He might not know other things, such as the date of His eventual return and who in the crowd had touched Him.
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the "kenosis" is derived from Philippians 2:7 from the RSV word "emptied" Himself - (KJV phrase - Made Himself of no reputation).
kenosis - from the root κενόω (kenoo - to empty) ἐκένωσεν in the text. also UBS 03466 - to lay aside.
so, IMO the Kenosis "theory" crosses the boundary of pure linguistics into an area of subjectivity.
I like the analogy of lowering in rank but not in essential being.
A general lowered in rank to a private still remains a man. -
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I hold that Jesus was fully human, but was not corrupted by the fall as we all were, hence no sin nature! -
It would seem He 'emptied' Himself of that attribute when he entered Time-space as a man.
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To use a very crude illustration, if you were to set aside the ability to write with a pen and paper in favor of typing with a keyboard because many people had trouble interpreting your writing, does that change who you are? No. It simply means you are writing in a different way, potentially more suitable for your purposes of communication. But if I suddenly protested, "Wait, Dave can't easily draw little doodles at the sides of the pages with a simple keyboard. Therefore you are not Dave anymore." You would rightly think I was a fool. Of course you could draw doodles after you had finished working within the limitations of the keyboard. You had not lost that ability, but had set it aside for a while to communicate another way so that people could more easily understand you.
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I posted scripture references in an earlier post, but I am discovering that people apparently don't actually look up the scriptures that I post. The Gospel of John records some very revealing things about how Jesus did His works of power. Nothing these verses and then go back and study them in context so you can see what I'm talking about:
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner."
John 5:30
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."
John 8:28
So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me."
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