Church of Rome states that faith alone grace alone is heresy, oi that denies Pauline Justification in the Gospel!
What does the Catholic Church say about us who believe in salvation by faith alone?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by annsni, May 6, 2016.
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When we speak of faith alone we are speaking of faith alone in Jesus Christ. Adonia, why are you even bothered by this at all? You and the RCC believe that no faith in Jesus Christ at all is needed for salvation. So why you even bothered? Even the RCC rules for salvation are worthless because you and the RCC declare faith in anything or anyone is not needed as long as you love some folks.
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Why is stating allegiance to God as a requirement so frowned on by my reformed brothers? If they called it a "LOVING faith in Jesus" That would have been a home run.
Why is loving God frowned on? They say loving God doesn't save a person, Loving Jesus doesn't do anything for you.
Faith Alone, I don't think you know what ALONE means let alone faith.
Satan and the Demons have faith.
Sacraments is a broad word you don't understand. Forgiveness from God is a sacrament.
You don't require God's forgiveness?
You want a burger, They ask what do you want inside, you say Ketchup ALONE. So you got bread and just ketchup.
We say we want meat and cheese too, how does that automatically mean no ketchup too?
We say its not faith, that doesn't mean there is no faith.
This error of both of you shows what a horrendous reading comprehension you both have. You can't understand anyone how do you expect to understand scripture?
The only place the words "FAITH ALONE" appears in the bible is
James 2
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
A person would have to be brain washed, incredibly stupid or mentally retarded to read that phrase and conclude that the very opposite is true.
Let me write out the opposite, its a test, if you think its true, you should seek medical help.
You see that a man is justified by FAITH ALONE and not by works.
One of these is actually in the bible, the other was put together by brain damaged people.
Does that mean I am against faith? No.
Satan has perfect faith in Jesus. He absolutely believes in Jesus, He has spoken to Jesus face to face.
Faith ALONE is a Satanic childish attempt to hide allegiance to God. It is the WOLF HATRED in Love's clothing which is FAITH.
This is the only reason we don't give faith alone a pass. FAITH is NOT GOD. INDEPENDENTLY = ALONE FAITH is useless.
FAITH IS NOT GOD, and it would be idolatry to say FAITH ALONE.
If there was a adverb "Loving Faith" That would have won. That shows allegiance to God.
Muslims have FAITH ALONE, Look at them go.
In 9/11 that was faith alone in action.
Faith has no bearing on allegiance.
Do you believe buildings are high? The people who jump off them believe that too. Thats the point James was trying to make in James 2.
This can be under your head rather then over.
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James 2 is packed repeatedly with what we are saying and you guys keep walking of pretending none of it is said.
Had it been the other way around we would never hear the end of it! James 2 is solid defeat of faith alone. Martin Luther knew it and wanted it GONE
James 2
5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?
Its for those WHO LOVE HIM. He didn't say hey those rich in faith and heirs were chosen, Rather the poor were chosen to be rich in faith LATER, to be heirs chosen LATER.
This scripture MONKEY STOMPS Calvinism and faith alone all over the place.
James 2
1My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism.
Calvinist favor the ELECT.
James 2
2For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, 3and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” 4have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? 5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? 6But you have dishonored the poor man.
This doesn't work in Calvinism. That poor man gets no honor at all. The Calvinist motto is the lotto doesn't matter if your rich or poor, God plays Russian Roulette with your soul.
Notice its not the heirs and faithful who love God. But its those who love God that are promised to be heirs and faithful.
James 2
19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Demons believe in God. the verse ends there but not the statement.
Demons have FAITH in God but are you wiling to recognize FOOLISH FELLOW, that FAITH without works is useless?
Please provide evidence of this Foolish Fellow James is talking about
#1 it ain't us, we know without works it is useless.
Show us who he is talking about. Hint if you can't find anyone who fits this description, you might need to look in mirror. -
However, God's word says that Christ's sacrifice was once (not continual) and for all who believe.
Do you see what is wrong with the teachings of Rome as it relates to the gospel? -
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With that said, I will accept your qualifier as a winner for salvation. So you answer then, If a person rejects having a "Loving Faith in Jesus Christ" will that person be saved? -
Satan and demons know Jesus id God, and yet refused to acknowledge Him as their Lord....
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The Scriptures state clearly however, that as often you do it, it is done as the permanent memorial to the sacrifice of Christ. Imagine, we find ourselves transported through time and find ourselves at the foot of the cross no less!
One could say that the taking of communion is a means of "communing" with God, it is a means of coming closer to Him via the incarnation and that one Holy sacrifice. You miss the whole concept completely.
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