Unfortunately, the magisterium changes its mind on such things. Pre-Vatican II, the Latin Rite tended to lump the anointing mentioned in James with the "last rites." The modern practice is that anointing should be applied to the sick, even though they may not be at death's door. That, in fact, is in line with James' teaching.
The concept of "last rites," of course, is without any foundation in scripture, except that it extends the priest's ability to forgive sin (yes, I know he doesn't actually "forgive sin" because he's simply exercising the power supposedly given him, but that's a really dangerous road to go down because you're assuming that the priest has not only authority by also the knowledge of God; but I digress).
If a person wants a priest, or a Baptist pastor, as death approaches, that's fine with me (though I see no particular efficacy other than providing comfort). But to put people in fear of their eternal destination without the participation of a priest or pastor is just wrong and contrary to the spirit of the New Testament.
What does the Catholic Church say about us who believe in salvation by faith alone?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by annsni, May 6, 2016.
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I think you should re-read what I said carefully, out loud too because there is no telling what you think I mean. -
We feed the hungry, heal the sick, take in the orphans. We are still waiting for you to see "how its really done".
Whats the name of that super charity church you got there?
Matthew 7
15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
28When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; 29for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes. -
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The Universal Church was not just one church, it was THE Christian Church - there was no other and everyone listened to it until the first great schism between East and West in the 11th century. That is the historical fact that you choose to ignore. -
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There is no magical binding and loosening done by the priest in regard to a person's soul at the death bed. Another example of the Roman church making stuff up.
The universal church is God's chosen people. The denomination where they meet to fellowship is many, not just the Roman church. In fact only a small group meets at the Roman church because the Roman church fails to teach salvation by grace through faith. -
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So what church is that again your in?
James 2
14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
He's talking about you and your dead faith, brother.
Answer the man: if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
NOPE!
The whole point of the chapter is how to answer folks like you.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Well of course I recognize needing works. Who's the fool he is talking to here? Show us an example of someone who HAS FAITH and no works. -
As for your foolish claims about myself and my brothers not caring for others and having faith displayed through what we do, you have no clue. Because God has given us the gift of faith, there is a very natural and joyous work of love that results.
But, you have no clue because you imagine that you somehow win a good works race. All I see is you being immensely pridefilled, while remaining completely ignorant of what I do and what my brothers do.
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Jesus Christ COMMANDS me to put you in a good works race!
Matthew 7
15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Where is your GOOD FRUIT?
Are you saying The advice of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is trash?
Show us your GOOD WORKS!
Matthew 5
14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16“Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Do you have a problem glorifying your father who is in heaven?
Scripture says you cannot be saved by faith alone James 2, you say BACKWARDS.
Scripture says Good Works is to be seen by all and the false prophets do not show good fruits either, you say Backwards.
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That's some funny stuff.
No, Jesus looks at us and asks us if we love him. Then he says "Feed my sheep."
You sound like Donald Trump, utilyan. It's all about you and you pimping yourself as something special.
Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, but do it all to the glory of God.
Matthew 6:2-4New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 “So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. -
Wait pal why correct me? That's a good work.
Why not just ask God to fix it?
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