Bottom line:
A country has the right to choose it's own capital. If we decide to move our capital to Omaha, Nebraska, then our capital will be Omaha, no matter what the rest of the world thinks.
The Israelis say their capital is Jerusalem.
What we think, politically, doesn't really matter. Romney seems to understand that, just as Obama has in the past.
What is the capitol of Israel?
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jul 30, 2012.
Page 3 of 4
-
-
-
Excellent information ,LE. :applause:
This president , for some reason, is afraid to articulate our policy. And if Romney is elected, and he does not sign the waiver, Jerusalem will be the officially recognized capital of Israel. He can make it happen if he wants to. -
preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
-
preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
-
-
righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Romney's Mormon Beliefs Came Through, Loud and CLear!
...I may not believe the Mormons are anything more than a cult, but at least they know their Bible, and they are supportive of Israel.
Chalk one up for Mitt! :wavey: -
I agree that the White House spokesman should have given an answer.
I agree that the world, including the US should recognise Israel's choice of their capital. However, fear has more than once dictated US policy. It does it in Jerusalem, it did it with President Clinton in Somalia, and it did with President Reagan in the Lebanon.
I don't think President Obama deserves any more criticism than President Bush or Clinton, both of whom could have already done this.
I also know it is easier to talk as a candidate than act as president. I suspect that if Governor Romney is elected this issue will fade away into the woodwork and he will not be criticised because he is a Republican.
However, this is a political matter, not a religious one.
Even if I accept the contention that 'God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel' as applicable to the current State of Israel having the embassy in Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem hardly amounts to a curse.
But those words have nothing to do with the Zionist state created by the UN in 1948. It is a secular, political state with its own agenda of self interest.
The 'born in a day claim' from Isaiah 66 is simply biblical misinterpretation. No matter how hard one tries they cannot make it fit. Any nation which declares their independence is, in that same sense 'born in a day.' Israel's birth took many years of hard work and political effort. Contrary to what Isaiah 66.7 says the birth of Israel was not accomplished without labour pains. Over six million innocent Jews made the labour that resulted in modern Israel's birth terribly and tragically painful.
Israel deserves American support because she has proven herself a long term ally. She deserves for Washington to recognise her capital because she is an ally. President Clinton should have done it. President Bush should have done it. President Obama should do. If elected President Romney should follow through and do it.
But God is not going to punish Americans because her government does not recognise the right city as capital of modern Israel.
Jerusalem will always be the spiritual capital of spiritual Israel. All the rest is secular politics. -
http://carm.org/questions-replacement-theology
I had never heard of Replacement Theology (raised Baptist & Baptist church memberships) until I came to this board. -
preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
At this point you're clearly not able to substantively interact with anything I'm posting. I renew my call on you show us your points from specific Scriptural interaction. -
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=80381
One BIG thing that disturbed me about Bush was him (US) partnering with the UN, EU, and Russia, the "quartet" for the Road Map for Israel, or Road Map from Hell, as I call it.
The elected leader of the Palestinians, President Mahmoud Abbas provided the funds to carry out the Black September attack when the Israeli Olympians were murdered in Munich. These are the same terrorist leaders we have bowed to as a nation because of the Political Correctness of our leaders.
I believe the situation will change with a President Romney, not because he is a good guy, but a relationship with Israel (political and spiritual) is at the core of Mormon beliefs. I would have to research further, but I am not aware that the Mormon church believes in Replacement Theology.
GW Bush would because he was an Episcopalian and Methodist (as I recall) whose denominations believe in Replacement Theology. Clinton, well, what can we say about Bill Clinton? Yassar Arafat was a terrorist who signed the "Peace Accords."
Yet every day, even with these "peace accords" missles are fired into Israel, every day. Every day.
Gaza - an interesting note, when the Israelis gave up Gaza under pressure from GW Bush and the quartet, they lost revenue, millions of dollars of revenue, food, and more. Interestingly, the very day after Israel withdrew from Gaza, displacing their own citizens, a tropical storm started to brew named Katrina. How many thousands of citizens were displaced in the US due to that little tropical storm, Katrina.
I already know I will be called a nut job by some who believe in Replacement Theology on this board, but I can start another thread and show you cause and effect from the US government (and perhaps others) and Israel, remembering whoever "blesses Israel will be blessed, whoever curses Israel will be cursed..." when I get the time to research it for you. Or you can research it on your own. The information is available. - LE
PS: I do not want this thread to veer off into a Replacement Theology vs premill, postmill or amill thread because of past food fights in other forums, I only pasted the link for informative puposes only. If a discussion is to ensue about eschatology, please take it to the appropriate forums above where you will be joined by grasshopper and others. :) -
-
-
And for THIS, the continued animosity towards Israel, God's hand will come against the US, the nation, in some form. -
There's no difference between this replacement theology than is any of the other false teaching that centers around not dealing with the words on the page.
So ta ta.:wavey: -
-
-
And I didn't give you an interpretation of Isaiah 66. I told you what a VERSE says and that verse is applicable to the creation of Israel in one day. -
preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
..:::...
You can either show evidence for your bloviated position or just run and hide. I don't care either way. At this point you're little more than a rhetorical stuffed shirt who makes a lot of sound but has little substance. It's common around here so you've got friends, but it still shows your true colors.
So put up a robust defense or run away...I'll be hanging out and not holding my breath. -
This first semester philosophy of religion word speak along with words like heiferdust, and red herring, and strawman, and fill-in-the-blank fallacy sits right over there in the corner with progressive terminology and reflects nothing but a schooling that some seem to think others are as impressed by as they seem to be.
Page 3 of 4