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What is your thought on washing feet in the church.

npetreley

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Brother Bob said:
Again, it is needful to ask what translation are you using?

1 Corth 11:
27: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28: But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29: For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30: For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31: For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32: But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
It says the same thing. Didn't you read my post? "In an unworthy manner" is the same thing as "unworthily". Both describe an action. You DO SOMETHING in an unworthy manner. You DO SOMETHING unworthily. That isn't the same thing as being worthy or unworthy.

Brother Bob said:
What about this part Npet; why you suppose it is in there.

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged

It says for this cause many sleep. I would advise anyone taking the Lord's Supper to be in peace with all that are there.
Context, context, context.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
That is the whole issue laid out right there. They are partaking unworthily, or in an unworthy manner.


23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Again, it could not be more clear than this. He's saying to examine how we are partaking, whether we are eating or drinking in a worthy manner, or worthily. It does NOT have anything to do with being worthy. We are NOT worthy.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For what cause? Because they are eating and drinking unworthily - in an unworthy manner.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
There's the part you quoted about judging ourselves -- IN CONTEXT.

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npetreley

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mmetts said:
You're angry countenance suggests you are inaccurate. I am not further elaborating on the written Word, which is revealed only to believers. This is so very elementary too.

Are you suggesting I'm not a believer?
 

mmetts

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npetreley said:
Are you suggesting I'm not a believer?
I am not accusing you npetreley of anything. You are ok by me. I do believe my post is understood in context. I have also edited it. You might re-read it. Further, at the rate you are posting your responses, I'm led to believe, either (1) I was correct in my previous post in thinking your series of posts in this topic (which has been successfully derailed) was only to 'bait' in a brother (which is not the way to use the Word of God) and (2) I was also right in my previous post that you are angry. Goodnight NP.
 

Brother Bob

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You are wrong Npet; but as always, you would not move if a locomotive was coming down the track and hit you in the face. The purpose was a communion and the scripture is simple saying to examine yourself to see if you are worthy to take the communion. If we could not examine ourselves why did He say to examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith?

You have a way about you of being disagreeable about everything. You admitted that you should be in peace and not have an ought against your brother, then turn right around and deny it.
 

npetreley

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mmetts said:
I am not accusing you npetreley of anything. You are ok by me. I do believe my post is understood in context. I have also edited it. You might re-read it. Further, at the rate you are posting your responses, I'm led to believe, either (1) I was correct in my previous post in thinking your series of posts in this topic (which has been successfully derailed) was only to 'bait' in a brother (which is not the way to use the Word of God) and (2) I was also right in my previous post that you are angry. Goodnight NP.

I get passionate about defending what the Word says against those who would change it to match their man-made ideas. If my passion offends you, I apologize. If the truth of the word I have expounded offends you, I do not. I am confident in this, that I accurately reflected what is written, no more, no less.
 

npetreley

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Brother Bob said:
You are wrong Npet; but as always, you would not move if a locomotive was coming down the track and hit you in the face. The purpose was a communion and the scripture is simple saying to examine yourself to see if you are worthy to take the communion. If we could not examine ourselves why did He say to examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith?

You have a way about you of being disagreeable about everything. You admitted that you should be in peace and not have an ought against your brother, then turn right around and deny it.

I do not deny it at all. I have repeatedly supported that statement. All I'm saying is that this is NOT at all what this particular passage is talking about.
 

Brother Bob

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I do not deny it at all. I have repeatedly supported that statement. All I'm saying is that this is NOT at all what this particular passage is talking about.
I beg to disagree Npet; It is what we live by and die by. I will defend it as long as I live.

Standing as Moderator over Communion and if I knew 2 brethren were not in peace, I would ask them to step outside and make peace and we will wait for them. If they said they couldn't make peace, I would sit them both back and not let them take Communion.
 

npetreley

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Brother Bob said:
I beg to disagree Npet; It is what we live by and die by. I will defend it as long as I live.

Standing as Moderator over Communion and if I knew 2 brethren were not in peace, I would ask them to step outside and make peace and we will wait for them. If they said they couldn't make peace, I would sit them both back and not let them take Communion.

Well, you'll do what you do. That's not what it says, though.
 

Brother Bob

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Well, I among many others say it is what it means.

May I ask you a question, are you a ordained preacher or Pastor/Moderator?

Now if you allowed Communion to go on and the congregation not in peace, that would be dishonoring the Lord's body.
 

npetreley

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Brother Bob said:
Well, I among many others say it is what it means.

I know. I hear the same thing repeated all the time. Fortunately, I also hear people teach exactly what it says, which is what I did. So I'm not alone in this.

Brother Bob said:
May I ask you a question, are you a ordained preacher or Pastor/Moderator?

Nope.
 

LeBuick

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npetreley said:
You should see this question on a Baptist forum until it is answered correctly. Your interpretation is a very popular one, but it is not only faulty, it reeks of self-righteousness.

Read it again and again in context. It says "whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner". This has nothing to do with examining yourself to see if you have unconfessed sin, or if you are at peace with your brothers. The purpose of examining yourself is to see if you are treating the Lord's supper with respect.

The Corinthians were not treating the Lord's supper with respect or discerning the Lord's body in it or the meaning of it. They were arriving drunk, eating ahead of one another, etc. They were not being nice to one another, but that wasn't their chief offense. Their chief offense was their disregard for the meaning of the Lord's supper.

Paul instructed them to examine themselves to see if they were partaking in a worthy manner, or worthily. The issue is how they were behaving right then and there, not any sin in their lives otherwise.

This, worthy manner or worthily, describes an action - it is an adverb. Doing something in a worthy manner (treating it with respect and reverence) is not the same thing as being worthy, which is an adjective. We can't examine ourselves and discover that we're worthy because we're not. I am not worthy. You are not worthy. We do not deserve worth-ship (worship). Nobody sings we are worthy, O Lord. We sing YOU are worthy, O Lord.

Like I said, I understand the importance of examining ourselves and for asking for forgiveness of sin. I'm not saying this isn't important. But it is not what this passage is talking about.

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You missed the key verse;

1Co 11:29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

The examination is to critique or discern (Judge) not yoour brother but ones self. They also had a habbit os saying Brother so and so ought not be taking communion, he is guilty of this or that sin. Paul is saying don't judge him, judge yourself.

I do agree about the Church in Corinth and what they did to the Lord Supper. To add, the "Haves" would bring fine wine and good bread and not share it with the "Have Nots" who sometimes had to go without communion. he addresses those things in previous verses;

1 Corinthians 11:17-22 (KJV)
17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

And then again at the end;

1 Corinthians 11:33-34 (KJV)
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

He clearly changes topics in the middle.
 

npetreley

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You lost me. I highlighted verse 29. I certainly did not miss it.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

This fits perfectly with the single topic. I don't know why you think he changes topics. It's all very self-consistent and coherent.

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Cutter

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Don't miss an opportunity to be blessed by not being willing to humble yourself and wash your Brothers feet. Whether you're at the church or not.
 
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I have seen alot of brothers and sisters wash each others feet . I would love to wash there feet. You can see the love they have for each other and the love they have for Jesus Christ. I beleive Simon felt unworthy for this and Christ showed him he was worthy because he believed in him. I thank about all the Good things that God has for them that love him and see that this is one of them.
 

gb93433

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Acts 2:42, "They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

I have a hard time find feet washing in Acts 2:42. There are better uses of time in a worship service than feet washing.
 

mmetts

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gb93433 said:
Acts 2:42, "They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

I have a hard time find feet washing in Acts 2:42. There are better uses of time in a worship service than feet washing.

That's not the argument being made! Charles is advocating humility in the act of foot washing. I like that you went to Acts first, and skipped the gospels! It's about humility! I'd waste a whole bottle of cologne on a brother's feet. But then, there were some that didn't like that either...
 

gb93433

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mmetts said:
That's not the argument being made! Charles is advocating humility in the act of foot washing. I like that you went to Acts first, and skipped the gospels! It's about humility! I'd waste a whole bottle of cologne on a brother's feet. But then, there were some that didn't like that either...

I would have a hard time believeing that the early church was not humble. Yet, I see no evidence in Acts that foot washing was a part of worship.

Some people in church would need more than a bottle of cologne spilled on them. Better yet would be to teach them to take a bath or shower.
 

Brother Bob

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Acts 2:42, "They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

I have a hard time find feet washing in Acts 2:42. There are better uses of time in a worship service than feet washing.
If you don't do it, then how would you possibly know?

I would have a hard time believeing that the early church was not humble. Yet, I see no evidence in Acts that foot washing was a part of worship.

Some people in church would need more than a bottle of cologne spilled on them. Better yet would be to teach them to take a bath or shower
If all that Jesus had done were written, I suppose the world would not contain the books.

42: And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship. It has already been shown that they washed feet in the Gospels. You don't know whether they washed feet here or not, for there is no evidence that they didn't wash feet either.

It was a important function of the Church, seems to me when speaking of a widow in the church!

1Ti 5:10Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Ah, they were a humble people without pride.
 
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TCGreek

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gb93433 said:
Acts 2:42, "They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

I have a hard time find feet washing in Acts 2:42. There are better uses of time in a worship service than feet washing.

1. I have hard time seeing your argument against feet washing in this passage.

2. Are singing and giving in this passage? But you do so every Lord's Day.

3. Use the text properly and get back to the real issue of feet washing.
 

gb93433

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TCGreek said:
1. I have hard time seeing your argument against feet washing in this passage.
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Acts 2:42 tells what they did during a worship service. That is the single most important thing to be done.

The time is short to minister to people and especially those who do not know Christ. It is an extremely poor use of time in a worship service. My hygiene is dependent upon myself not something done in a worship service by someone with a foot fettish.
 
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