Here Elder, go Google this:
"20th hijacker" Moussaoui
There are some 59,000 hits on 20 Nov 2008. I'm sure reading a few dozen of them will suggest a plan of attack for further data mining. Reading more than one source is always wise, if one has the time.
-Ed Edwards, Surviving Victim of 9-11
Who's Was the Responsible of Sept 11 Attack?
Discussion in 'Polls Forum' started by DeafPosttrib, Nov 18, 2008.
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Actually, I was in New york city December 24-25-25, 1984 and saw the twin towers. -
Otherwise I was not patriotic saying that about a conspiracy" Huh11 -
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This is an interesting read/visual:
9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1 -
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Yeah - a plane crash does leave some of the aircraft intact - those pieces that are structurally much stronger than others such as the underbelly of the plane, the tail section (often is partly or mostly intact) and large parts of the engine and landing gear.
But if you've never witnessed an airplane crash, you're really not understanding what happens. The last plane crash I was at was TWA flight 800. There were some very large pieces that were left from that crash but that crash also landed in water, thus putting out the fire on most of the debris (the fire that was left on the top of the water was a result of the fuel). But there were so many pieces that were very tiny pieces too. And that was a crash with very little fire. The only burning happened in the explosion and during the time the plane fell to the water off of Long Island.
I honestly am disgusted by those who push the idea of a conspiracy. I lost friends in the WTC and I saw the planes hit. I saw the destruction. Yeah, you saw the WTC in 1974. I live 30 miles from it and saw it frequently. I know men and women who worked in the aftermath. There was no conspiracy by anyone other than the group of terrorists who carried out the attacks and those behind them (and they were NOT the US government or any other "conspiracy theory" targets). You insult the memory of everyone who died in these attacks - and those men and women in the plane that was brought down - not being able to hit anything other than the ground in Pennsylvania. This absolutely disgusts me. -
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If you look at the videos carefully, you’ll see that neither collapse began at the bottom. Both collapses originated at the area of impact and fire. One of the towers (I believe Tower 1) peels like a banana with the supporting outer skin (half of the supporting “arch” for each floor) falling outward… definitely not what you would want if you were doing a controlled demolition.
- Do you care to assert that steel (or any other rigid structural materials used in the WTC construction) is NOT significantly weakened by heat long before it turns into a molten puddle?
- Do you care to give evidence that debris and human remains were not found inside the Pentagon and the field in PA despite extensive testimony, physical evidence and photographic documentation?
- Do you care to give a single example of a time when a modern commercial wide-bodied aircraft was inverted without crashing? (Just think about this, if inverting a large jet were a viable plan for disrupting a hijacking, don’t you think that some pilot would have tried it during the heyday of airline hijackings in the 1970s?)
- Do you care to make an argument that the hijackings of 9/11 DID NOT fundamentally change how governments and the public will respond to hijackers?
- The body exterior width of a Boeing 757 is 12 feet, 4 inches. Since the vast majority of the mass of the plant is located in the body core (all of the instrumentation, flight systems beyond engines and fuel, luggage, passengers, supplies and equipment), that part of the plant will provide the most ‘punch’ at high speed and penetrate the building.
- A jet’s swept wings and tail assembly are relatively light structures that will flex and bend according to the stresses placed on them. If the plane in barreling through a reinforced wall of a building, the wings and tail assembles will tend to get pulled into the building by the sheer mass of the disintegrating core of the body of the plane.
- There is plenty of evidence, inside and out that the plane struck the building. I found this link while looking up the dimensions of the 757. (oops, I just noticed Mr. Edwards already posted a link to the same site!)
Please concede my points or provide evidence or arguments that demonstrate they are not valid. -
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Two, bad legislation does not equal government conspiracy.
Three, you've been given voluminous physical and forensic evidence, and you've countered with anecdotal stories, unverified claims, and off-topic explanations. You're losing the "evidence battle" pretty badly.
Sorry, but you're not exactly winning this discussion... -
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'elder' = person age 60 or older.
You are 70 years old. Therefore you are an elder. 19-year-old Mormon Missionary boys are NOT 'elder' like their name tag says. there the definition of 'elder' is:
'elder' (Mormon) - 19-year-old Mormon Missionary boys
I'm 65-yeers-old (I'm a younger elder)
You are 70-yesrs-old (You're elder elder!) -
Elder Ed Edwards: // Here Elder, go Google this:
"20th hijacker" Moussaoui
There are some 59,000 hits on 20 Nov 2008. I'm sure reading a few dozen of them will suggest a plan of attack for further data mining. Reading more than one source is always wise, if one has the time.
-Ed Edwards, Surviving Victim of 9-11 //
Elder Ray Marshall:
// Hay, not so easy now. I asked YOU what did he say? //
The answer would make a good research paper for a Master's Degree. I don't intend to get any Master's Degrees. I also don't care what he said (but others might be interested) and I seriously doubt if what he had to say would be found anyway. I have done research (not at the Master's Degree level) about what the Governments of this World try to keep secret and what they tell. -
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On this page:
http://www.ae911truth.org/
are two contradictory 'proof's of controled demolition:
4. “Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
8. 1,400 foot diameter field of equally distributed debris – outside of building footprint
Did the buildings fall into their own footprint or was there a lot of 'distributed debris'?
Two contradictory 'proof's of cause of collapse:
12. Tons of molten metal found by FDNY and numerous other experts under all 3 high-rises
no "3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel "
Was there no softening steel or was their some molten steel? -
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