Amen! :thumbs: :thumbs:
Women Pastors?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dianna, Sep 26, 2006.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Further, now that I am riled up and ready to preach some . . .
The problem is that 'men' quit being 'men of God' when we started accepting 'hirelings' into the ministry. If we are willing to accept just any man that wants to work for a pay check, the we should expect that women will want to step up and get a pay check as well.
But, both are against God, His Word, and His will - IMHO.
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Well.........sorry, LeBuick, I just don't see the implication here that Priscilla and Aquila were left in charge of the church there. Even if they were there in some kind of teaching role, it would have been Aquila teaching. Possibly Priscilla was teaching women, but nothing indicates that. Every time Priscilla is mentioned, she is mentioned with Aquila, her husband. -
John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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The Gift of teaching
If you have the gift of teaching then whomever you are you should use that gift.The Holy Spirit will give you opportunity that is a key element of the Holy Spirit..."an opportunity giver"
A sovereign God knows what God is doing working with women who have the gift of teaching encouraging them and giving them opportunity by opening doors.
A local church and its leaders through help of prayer and the Holy Spirit will decide and those who want to brag and be self righteous they do not allow women teachers they have that freedom and can prevent it in their church...so the bottom line is ...you can choose but do not belittle the gift and if a woman has it...I personally would encourage her using it.
My goodness if you want to split hairs...a woman evangelist is basically teaching....teaching for an end result for a person to make a decision ..in so doing she is teaching revelation..and that revelation is Jesus saves! no buts attached.
This movement of spiritual women who are good hearted and want to serve will only grow because men are failing and some of that failing is they are now mixing politics with their interpretation of religion.
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again, Aslanspal,
is a woman's ministry negated simply because she only teaches to women? Why do some of you only consider it "using her gift" if she is preaching to men? Doesn't that seem the very epitome of what you are speaking out against?
and also, just because "opportunities open" does not mean it was God who opened the doors.
It isn't self-righteous of anyone to declare the Bible to be true. Any woman who pastors a group of men must ignore the Bible in order to do so. How can any of us consider that a GOOD policy for a "pastor" to have? -
A woman can certainly teach - and use her gifts - but just not with men. Prophesy is OK but teaching and having authority over men is not. In our church, we have MANY women working - in counselling, teaching, worship, drama, children's ministries, cell ministries, preschool, and creative worship. Each woman is working in her gifting and God is using them in a mighty way - AND they are not disobeying the Word.
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Gold Dragon Well-Known Member
Christians for Biblical Equality make reference to this article which presents one egalitarian interpretation of 1 Cor 14:34-35 and 1 Tim 2:11-12.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Unfortunately for scholars such as this, the average man or woman in the pew all over the world will continue to take these passages literally and apply them literally. To illustrate that, I once went to a link from the Baptist Board telling the story of Joanne Shetler, a pioneer Bible translator with a tribe in the Philippines. (And by the way, I admire tremendously the work of such pioneer translators.) When she and her helper came to the passage in Timothy he stopped and considered the matter. The next time they met for church the national leader got up and said, "The missionary has been leading the services, but we learned in the Bible that a man should do so, so I will be leading now." :thumbs:
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Gold Dragon Well-Known Member
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I am so thankful that the Word of God can be understood without a degree. I am
so thankful that I serve a God that made his perfect Word available to us. Many believe that the
Word of God changes or has mistakes and contradictions within. One of the deceptions that Satan has used so well is to say that certain parts of the Word of God were only relevant at certain times to certain people. This is a lie. In all of this discussion over women "preachers" no one has dealt with the one isue that is as plain as the nose on your face. What is it? Silence. Look it up its in your bible. There are many who will debate with you over the meaning of speaking,prophesying, or usurping authority, but everyone knows what silence is. I hope. Until we believe that God meant exactly what he said, and live it we will be unstable in all our ways. -
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It is interesting to me that the word both JoJ and deacon jd respond to was scholar. If he wasn't a 'scholar' and he didn't reference 'scholars' would you pay more attention to his words? I would hope we critically consider the interpretations of Holy Spirit indwelled Christians whether they are scholars or not.
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I would have to say that this interpretation completely ignores the primary text - IMHO.
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We've discussed this before, and I greatly respect your views. But is there no contradiction here in your saying that the example of Priscilla does not justify a woman teaching a man and your own very fruitful book and conference ministry? Men are present in the places and churches in which you speak. Men hear you on the radio.
For that matter, if all these men on this thread are mistaken, why are several women trying to "teach" them differently?
As a group, we come up with some finely parsed differences between teaching in church and out of church.
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