Featured Ye reject salvation by grace !

GE:

Whom are you adressing?

I responded to 'savedbymercy'.

I don't say anything about your 'position' or 'understanding' of election; I am talking about SBM's conception of Calvinism.

 

Now he's calling your requirement to have a Supralapsarian view of salvation in order to be saved nonsense. Did the theif on the cross have TULIP worked out or did he just trust Jesus?

 

Its fine that you believe in Grace and Election but if someone is Elect and doesn't hold to your Supralapsarian view it really doesn't matter because they are still Elect and their salvation is assured. So why make the big fuss?

 

Forgive me, I was addressing the so called savedbymercy who ought to change his screen name to savedbycalvinism.

 

I am bowing out of this. If this is the position of all Calvinists, and I suspect that it isn't the position of most calvinists, then we will never be able to bridge the gap between our 2 positions.

 

Yes but an infralapsarian holds to grace just as well as a Supralapsarian. And even an Arminian holds to the doctrine of Grace. So why the big hubbub about supralpsarian view?

First of all the gospel is contained in the 4 Gospels meaning the good news. The good news is simple: Jesus came and died for our sins and restored us to a right relationship with God for those who believe in Jesus. Not only this but Jesus conqured not only sin but also death and we have the hope of eternal life and our own resurrection from the dead. There is nothing in that statement spelling out Tulip, Irresistable Grace, Unconditional Election, the perserverance of the Saints, limited attonement, or Total depravity. But it does require faith in Jesus total sufficiency. So what's the beef?

 

Most definitely!

For starters you have put two Scriptures unrelated to each other together to form your twisted doctrine. That is one mistake.
Your well known bias in believing that salvation is not of faith is revealed in quoting Acts 15:11 instead of Rom.5:1 or Rom.4:3 or Eph.2:8,9, Scriptures which you have a hard time with.

They are all saved by grace through faith not of works.
Note well that faith is not a work. Rom.4:3-5 confirms that.

I am sorry you reject Biblical truth. The clearly stated truth of the word of God cannot be so plain as to say:

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You just said you reject salvation by grace through faith. You believe in heresy. You deny the Word of God outright.

And yet that is what you do with the gospel--water it down and rationalize it away!

Man is saved by putting his faith in the shed blood of Christ. There is no other way!!

You have rejected the truths of Eph.2:8,9 as well as hundreds of other passages of Scripture in the Bible.
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God.

 

GE:

As I said, you draw an unrecognizable caricature of Calvinism; simply, a FALSE presentment.

The skew and icy features of your figuration could be shoved into better shape …

The Truth of Unconditional Election is, that
God from eternity out of unmerited mercy and undeserved love
had chosen only a portion or small rest
out of fallen, sinful, lost, mankind, for salvation;
and purposely had decreed from all eternity
that the gross of sinful mankind shall in their unprovoked, uncontrolled and uncontrollable sin,
be hardened and damned to the Glory of His Justice, Sovereignty, Order of Purpose and Council of Grace.
“Ye are saved by grace through faith— it [salvation, grace, faith] is the gift of God.” Yes, the gift of God by Christ, through Christ, in Christ and for the sake of Christ, “unto us”.

 

TULIP



T: Unregenerate man --- Total depravity

U: God --- Unconditional election

L: Christ --- Limited atonement

I: Holy Spirit --- Irresistible Grace

P: Regenerate man --- Perseverance of the saints.

 

No, we are saying that one is saved by the atonement of Christ upon the Cross the propiation required by god for sin, but hat we MUST have faith in him and that work in order to be the Elect of/by god!

its NOT if we hold to calvinism/arminians views, but if we have received by faith jesus and been saved by the Grace of God!

 

Its the BASIS of my sdalvations, the means that allows God to justify the ungodly, BUT for Him to declare me a saint, still MUST have faith in jesus and that Work to be saved!

Were you saved by God BEFORE you trusted in christ as your saviour and Lord?

 

The sacrifice of Christ is a free gift of God. It must be received by faith. Otherwise it does no good. Christ shed his blood in vain if it is not received by faith. If you have not received this precious gift by faith, there is no way that you can be saved.

You have refused to give your testimony on this board.
How did you come to Christ?
Are you saved? If so how?