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Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Salty, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. Squire Robertsson

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    What is a Fundamentalist a series of 18 messages preached at hamilton Square Baptist Church by David Innes, Senior Pastor.
     
  2. John of Japan

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    The New Evangelical movement of the 1950's plotted a new strategy of engagement with the liberals rather than the fundamentalist strategy of separation from the liberals. The New Evangelical strategy hoped to: (1) win liberals to Christ (which did not happen); (2) unite Christianity in an ecumenical way; (3) gain respect from the liberals for evangelical scholarship (did not happen).

    Any history of fundamentalism will describe this process and movement, such as those already listed on this thread. I don't have time right now to find good Internet websites that tell us more. Got to go!
     
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    LOL I had to go see what they were using the ellipsis to suppress:

    "it is the partial and uneducated survival of a theology which was once universally held by all Christians"

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    I have never understood why anyone would want to align with liberals over anything regarding anything much less the Gospel
     
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    It appears to this casual observer that separation troubles far more than having a local Baptist assembly decide how to practice their faith and dispense their resources as led by our Lord.
     
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    My issue would be when churches hold King James Onlyism as The Most Important Doctrine and will separate based on churches using other Bible versions. Or separating over trivial matters.
     
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    One independent fundamental Baptist church I belonged to [from 1970-1978] my Pastor had switched from using NASB (1960, 1962, 1963, . . .) to the KJV over the fact the Greek text used by the NASB and the JW NWT translation are virtually the same Greek text. NASB, "only begotten God," NWT, "only begotten god."
     
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    The comments of Kirsopp Lake about Fundamentalism -- both negative and positive -- are quite interesting. Here is a bit more.

    The most energetic and, I suspect, the largest group, but the least well educated, is the Fundamentalist,1 which has indeed forgotten much of the thought of the past, but has learnt nothing from that of the present. It represents an unwavering attachment to the great traditional doctrines of Christianity. The name “Fundamentalist,” was, I believe, first given to them some years ago when they adopted the “quadrilateral of belief,”—the Infallible Inspiration of Scripture, the Deity of Jesus Christ, the efficacy of the Blood Atonement, and the Second Coming of the Lord. The sudden prominence of this movement is a reaction against the intellectual chaos which has often been allowed to serve as a substitute for liberal theology.

    But it is a mistake, often made by educated persons who happen to have but little knowledge of historical theology, to suppose that Fundamentalism is a new and strange form of thought. It is nothing of the kind: it is the partial and uneducated survival, of a theology which was once universally held by all Christians. How many were there, for instance, in Christian churches in the eighteenth century who doubted the infallible inspiration of all Scripture? A few, perhaps, but very few. No, the Fundamentalist may be wrong; I think that he is. But it is we who have departed from the tradition, not he, and I am sorry for the fate of anyone who tries to argue with a Fundamentalist on the basis of authority. The Bible and the corpus theologicum of the Church is on the Fundamentalist side.

    At the same time Fundamentalism is not the complete or the intelligent survival of the old theology. The keen metaphysics of the doctrine concerning God and the insight into human nature of the doctrines of sin and of grace are no longer present. The Fundamentalists have zeal, but it is certainly not according to knowledge. Their party is recruited from the “Bible Schools” which in the United States offer a cheaper education for those wishing to be ministers than can be found in Universities or in the Theological Schools that take only college graduates. Men are taught in these schools a very precise theology, are given some admirable practical instruction in the art of speaking, and are inspired with great enthusiasm, partly for the gospel which they preach themselves and partly against the theories which they believe to represent modern science. They are supported by men who know the words of Scripture better than the teaching of science, insist—quite rightly—that the Bible means what it says, and hold that, if the Bible be, as they believe, the revealed word of God, nothing contrary to it can be true or ought to be taught. They are endeavouring to prevent any teaching from being given in state schools or colleges, whether on geology or biology, which conflicts with the Biblical account. The matter is being made a political issue; so many votes can always be secured for the Bible and so few for Science that in some places no political candidate could be elected who does not hold the “Biblical” views, and no teacher in a public institution could retain his position if he favoured evolution.

    There has been in America some surprise at the sudden rise of Fundamentalism in the last five years. But no one who has lived, as I have, in Holland can be astonished. The story of Fundamentalism in America is repeating almost exactly the history of the “Anti-revolutionary’’ party in Holland...

    [Footnote] 1. This name is commonly used in America; it is not, I think, widely known elsewhere, but it is easy to understand, and I do not know any word to take its place which would be equally intelligible on both sides of the Atlantic.

    From Chapter IV, The Real Divisions in Modern Protestantism, in The Religion of Yesterday and To-morrow, Kirsopp Lake, Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin, 1925, pp. 60-63

    Nor is Lake is always complimentary towards Liberalism, for example:

    …It is unusual to find any man who comes from liberal circles with even that elementary knowledge of the Bible which used to be given in every Sunday School and in most homes.

    This is not because the Bible has been dropped. It is because, instead of interpreting it in order to show what the writers meant, it is used as a vehicle to convey what the preacher wishes…​

    From Chapter III, The Theological Storm in the Nineteenth Century, in The Religion of Yesterday and To-morrow, Kirsopp Lake, Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin, 1925, pp. 54-55
     
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    I agree with you and your issue.
     
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    The Nas faithful to the Greek text, while the Nwt is not!
     
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    These work for me as the 'shiboleth' of Fundamentalism.
     
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    What, we kill people who don't believe these very basic doctrines?? :eek:
     
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    The issue was the common Greek text. Only begotten God - only begotten god. And other places.
     
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    If they don't believe these and claim to be Fundamentalists, then they are "dead from the neck up" as far as I am concerned. :)
    (no point wasting your breath trying to explain it to them, they will never understand. They may dress like one of us, but they ain't one of us. Best not let the door hit 'em in the backside on the way out. (and if it's their church, then it is "shake off the dust" time a get to skedaddlein'.
     
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