Mark Driscoll to speak at Rick Warren conference.

[annsni]

I say different. He's a cussing idiot that has no place behind a pulpit!!!:thumbsup::jesus:

Don't you love when people are stuck in the past and don't allow repentance and change? I feel sorry for your pastor and those around you.

 

[fbcodr]

Don't you love when people are stuck in the past and don't allow repentance and change? I feel sorry for your pastor and those around you.

You don't need to feel sorry for me!!! I feel sorry for you and those that are listening to such garbage!!!:laugh::jesus:

 

[fbcodr]

Absurd. not stepping down from the pulpit has no bearing in whether he continues to do it or not. One is not evidence of the other.

Sounds like a disqualified person to me!!! If that's what you call repentance I've got a bridge to sell you.:laugh::jesus:

 

[Johnv]

Pastor Mark is a fine man, an excellent pastor, and profound expositor of God's Word. Shame on anyone who says differently.

Absolutely! Mark Driscoll is a fantastic preacher and dead-on bible centered! I can't underetimate how fantastic he is! :thumbsup:

 

[matt wade]

Absolutely! Mark Driscoll is a fantastic preacher and dead-on bible centered! I can't underetimate how fantastic he is! :thumbsup:

Dead on Bible centered? So you believe it is a sin to abstain from the consumption of alcohol, as he does?

 

[fbcodr]

Absolutely! Mark Driscoll is a fantastic preacher and dead-on bible centered! I can't underetimate how fantastic he is! :thumbsup:

I got a bridge to sell you also!!!:laugh::jesus:

 

[fbcodr]

Andy Stanley is part of the seeker movement? Bet that's news for like EVERYBODY.

I don't know the man that wrote this article, but this would be news to me also.:smilewinkgrin::godisgood:

 

[annsni]

I don't know the man that wrote this article, but this would be news to me also.:smilewinkgrin::godisgood:

It certainly does show some bias IMO which would make me question much of what he wrote in that first article.

 

[annsni]

Dead on Bible centered? So you believe it is a sin to abstain from the consumption of alcohol, as he does?

It is a sin to call something a sin that is not a sin. When he studied, he found that he was being legalistic and in direct disobedience to the Lord when he was forcing himself and others to abstain from alcohol for wrong reasons. I know Mark doesn't drink currently (atleast I heard that in one of his sermons), so he is still abstaining from the consumption of alcohol but for the right reasons now rather than the wrong reasons. Remember that the Bible says that anything not done in faith is sin - so he was correct in his calling the abstaining from alcohol a sin for him.

 

[fbcodr]

It certainly does show some bias IMO which would make me question much of what he wrote in that first article.

I also haven't listened to Mr. Driscoll. We heard a lot about him at the last SBC so I probably have a bias against him also. It's usually worse when you hear bad things about someone without hearing them.:wavey::godisgood:

 

[Johnv]

Dead on Bible centered? So you believe it is a sin to abstain from the consumption of alcohol, as he does?

That's not what he said. He said that the way he was abstaining from alcohol was sinful (he was engaging in a legalism). He was referring to himself alone, and was not making a general statement about abstinence in general.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Where does he say he was engaging in legalism. Also, I always thought legalism was extra-biblical mandates....dancing, cards, lottery tickets....since the Bible has some stern warnings about alcohol, you have to do some twisting to say abstinence is the sin. Pride, perhaps. Worldliness ? Definately. But not abstinence.

And I'm still waiting for justification of brew classes in church.

 

[Johnv]

Also, I always thought legalism was extra-biblical mandates...

No, legalism referrs to making adherence to the law the standard for righteousness or salvation. For example, not allowing someone to work on the sabbath is legalistic, even though scripture commands believers to rest on the sabbath. Likewise, not allowing the consumption of alcohol can be considered legalistic, especially when it's used as a litmus test for determining a person's righteousness.

And I'm still waiting for justification of brew classes in church.

While unusual, there's certainly nothing unscriptural about it.

 

[fbcodr]

I don't believe brew classes are just unusual. If something doesn't honor Christ then it doesn't belong in a Christ-centered Church. I'm not sure just how a brew class would be Christ-centered. You're gonna have to explain that one.:tongue3::godisgood:

 

[Johnv]

If something doesn't honor Christ then it doesn't belong in a Christ-centered Church.

Potlucks don't honor Christ. Yet the word "Baptist" and "potluck" are practically synonymous.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

No, legalism referrs to making adherence to the law the standard for righteousness or salvation. For example, not allowing someone to work on the sabbath is legalistic, even though scripture commands believers to rest on the sabbath. Likewise, not allowing the consumption of alcohol can be considered legalistic, especially when it's used as a litmus test for determining a person's righteousness.

There is none righteous, no not one. Legalism is extra-biblical mandates. And I ask you again, where did he mention legalism ?

While unusual, there's certainly nothing unscriptural about it.

That is baloney. The bible is clear what is to be preached. You are just finding excuses for this guy.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Potlucks don't honor Christ. Yet the word "Baptist" and "potluck" are practically synonymous.

I've been to potlucks. They are served after the service. And they absolutely do honor Christ, as modeled after the many times he broke bread with people, after services. With no alcohol. Nice try.

 

[Johnv]

There is none righteous, no not one. Legalism is extra-biblical mandates.

Then, by your definition, requiring abstinence as a matter of righteousness is legalism.

That is baloney. The bible is clear what is to be preached. You are just finding excuses for this guy.

We're not talking about what is to be preached, that's a different topic. The question was about brewry class on church grounds. There's nothing unscriptural in and of itself about it.

 

[annsni]

I am currently listening to Mark's message "Religion Saves - Emerging Church". I would ask that those who are so against Mark to please listen to it. It addresses a lot of issues that people have against him, IMO.

http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/religionsaves/emerging-church

 

[Johnv]

Annsi, those people have already decided. Nothing will change their minds.