Would you care to respond to this, DHK? Please?
A carryover thread from 'The Children whom God hath given me .'
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SovereignGrace, Jun 30, 2015.
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
DHK, you stated this:
Did you write it in this article?
http://www.sermonillustrations.com/a-z/a/apostles.htm
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
This was what was written on that site:
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He reveals himself to particular ones and hides himself from others.
He knows certain ones and others he declares at the Great Judgment Day :"I never knew you."
He mercies who he sovereignly wants to and hardens the rest.
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IMO, they put far too much emphasis on God's Sovereignty and the doctrine of Predestination than the rest of the doctrines of the Bible. They are unbalanced.
The Lord has planted "men". Some will receive him and some will not. Predestination speaks to the saved, always. He does not predestine (reprobate) a certain percentage to hell.
David was a man after God's own heart. He bore children after his own image (and the image of God). But not all his children were "righteous" as David was. In fact Absalom was a traitor and led a rebellion against David. How could David have known those things would have happened? Would he have given birth to them if he had had that foreknowledge??
Note: everything here is about the believer; nothing is said about the unbeliever, about reprobation.
God, being God, is omniscient. He simply knows the outcome. Knowing the outcome does not determine the outcome.
God allowed Satan to rebel; he didn't cause him or force him.
I find your answer not much different than that of a Muslim.
When a mother loses a child to an act of terrorism she looks to heaven first, and then to you, and she will say: "It is Allah's will."
That is fatalism. It is God's will that all things happen as they do--good or bad; terrorism, evil, etc. It makes God the author of evil.
Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
--Speaking of why a woman should cover her head, and why a man should not, Paul says that man is made in the image and glory of God.
It is not just Adam, it is mankind.
Furthermore, God gives commands all throughout scripture for mankind to exercise his will and come to God Almighty:
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
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I do not think he has ever stated that 'faith has not a role'. But he can better explain himself. Faith is not a work. It is a gift of God in regeneration.
of those whom God elected to salvation, to predestinate. They were saved because He predestinated them, not predestinated them because He knew they would be saved. You are stating that backwards, mon ami.
I will address the other portion later. -
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Salvation is all of God and all of grace.
Faith...saving faith is the gift of God....It is the instrumentality to access the promises of God;
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
SG.....you were correct to question all of DHK'S statements.....reality escapes them.....lol. Al Moehler is a godly respected man of God....do not let DHK bear false witness about him.
DHK said;
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. -
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Satan plants the weeds and Christ the wheat. Satan herds the goats, Christ the sheep.
Then there is Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither—whatever they do prospers.[Psa. 1:1-3] -
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DHK,
Would you please address posts #22 and #23? Please? Thanks. -
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Do you think that John Berstecher is the author of both those illustrations or just the latter? -
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RE: the New Calvinist Movement in general
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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DHK SAYS,
First I don't believe faith is a gift from God.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:.......this public confession might be the first step to your healing:thumbsup: -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
DHK;
. It is by faith as well--something you seem to deny quite often.
Well if you are not bearing false witness again and you say I do this quite often maybe you could show a couple of examples of it .
it's not as if you were wrong about Spurgeon, oh wait you were wrong about everything on that other thread .
It is showing that so clearly that it's a wonder you even continue to post... I will deal with the rest of the error contained in these two posts when i can get to a keyboard -
Here is an example. You might want to read more of the conversation than just this one post:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2239087&postcount=20
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Thy faith has made you whole. Did Jesus give them faith, or was it their own?
When the paralyzed man was let down through the roof by four of his friends. By whose faith did Jesus say was this man healed? Jesus or some others'?
When the Samaritan (one of the ten lepers) returned to give thanks to Christ, why did Jesus say: "Go thy way Thy faith hath made thee whole."
--In each and every case, was it the faith of Jesus or of the individual?
Give me one instance where it even infers that God gave them the faith?
Faith is not the gift of God. Every man has faith.
Jesus said that in order to enter the kingdom of God you must be as little children. Even little children have faith, but it is not given to them by God is it? They came to Christ by faith, but not faith given by God.
You do err not knowing the Scriptures. -
You need to drop your anti-biblical stance and humbly accept the Word of God.
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