Yeah, but the crimes he committed were only resisting arrest, trying to evade capture, and a DUI. Nothing worth a potentially lethal encounter.
I'll share that in the gun fight I was near, the security guard missed the bank robber with every round. That makes me more angry at the security guard. The cops established a few kilometer perimeter and found the robbers easy. I may be wrong, but this incident in Atlanta doesn't seem like a crime worthy of immediate pursuit with a deadly weapon was justified.
Then again, if as the FBI Agent I saw on the news said, that taser are considered a deadly weapon to an officer. The problem is not the officer but his training.
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Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Steven Yeadon, Jun 14, 2020.
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If the saints, those with much better judgment than unbelievers can't pin things down, then we are dealing with a very difficult situation. I'll step back from emotion and try to think about this. -
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You obviously don't think like law-enforcement at all.
But, that's a reason you might have to shoot a man....
Why don't you answer the question...
I'll give you some options, and please answer them. Should they:
1.) Have simply let a drug-addled man willing to commit indiscriminate violence in commission of a crime to run freely in the community armed with a potentially dangerous weapon he took from police.
2.) Taze him
3.) Immediately taken the threat out with the only force they had remaining at their disposal.
4.) Said to themselves....screw little innocent old ladies, he's black, so, he's most likely only going to victimize people in black communities anyways, so, what do I care as a white guy.
After all, the perpetrator is actually unlikely to really threaten my community (statistically any potential victim would be black) why risk my job protecting the black community anyway....I'm white and racist, so, I'm going to get a donut, and write it up as an encounter where my tazer was taken and the perp simpy ran away too fast for me to respond.
The poor dumb cop cared too much.
That's where he went wrong.
He should have said "meh, what do I care" not my problem, he's only going to victimize blacks in a black community anyway.
That's the "racism" in this country Steven....
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Its so easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback.
But unless you are in that position- with the Adriana running
because a suspect was able to free himself from two LEO's,
and in addition steals one of your partners weapons...... and uses it..
Now some would say- well his partner should know the difference......
Great, we will tell the cops - from now on to say "pretty please, will you drop my
weapon -- and would you please put you hands behind your back so I can handcuff you
and I promise not to make them too tight... (and don't forget his Miranda rights)
within that time, he could have killed both partners - but at least they did say pretty please
So unless you are a LEO who has been in such a situation, or a GI in combat (not just a combat zone)
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I do believe there are a few bad-apple cops, like in the video here.
There are bad police that need to be held accountable. What's so disturbing is the wholesale judgment of all police, who, IMO, 99.999% are everyday heroes. In a chaotic situation like we have today, police need a fair trial, publicly and legally. -
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I found this statute on the use of force by law enforcement in Georgia.
(b) Sheriffs and peace officers who are appointed or employed in conformity with Chapter 8 of Title 35 may use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others; or when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm. Nothing in this Code section shall be construed so as to restrict such sheriffs or peace officers from the use of such reasonable nondeadly force as may be necessary to apprehend and arrest a suspected felon or misdemeanant.
2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS :: ARTICLE 2 - ARREST BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GENERALLY :: § 17-4-20 - Authorization of arrests with and without warrants generally; use of deadly force; adoption or promulgation of conflicting regulations, policies, ordinances, and resolutions; authority of nuclear power facility security officer
Ok, this leaves only one question. Is a taser, when used offensively, a weapon that can inflict serious harm?
I found tasers are considered to cause serious bodily harm when used offensively.
Using a stun gun or Taser might also carry felony charges under other statutes that don’t specifically mention these electrical weapons. For instance, it’s considered aggravated assault when the crime is carried out with a deadly weapon or any device that causes or is likely to cause serious bodily injury when used offensively. Also, armed robbery involves using an offensive weapon to forcibly take property away from someone. The Georgia Supreme Court has recognized that stun guns and Tasers may be considered offensive weapons that are likely to result in serious bodily injury, depending on how they’re used (Harwell v. State, 512 S.E.2d 892 (Ga. Sup. Ct. 1999)).
Stun Gun Laws in Georgia
However, the perpetrator was shot in the back after discharging his taser, but given everything happened in seconds. The officer was likely justified to use deadly force.
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I found this statute on the use of force by law enforcement in Georgia.
(b) Sheriffs and peace officers who are appointed or employed in conformity with Chapter 8 of Title 35 may use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others; or when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm. Nothing in this Code section shall be construed so as to restrict such sheriffs or peace officers from the use of such reasonable nondeadly force as may be necessary to apprehend and arrest a suspected felon or misdemeanant.
2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS :: ARTICLE 2 - ARREST BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GENERALLY :: § 17-4-20 - Authorization of arrests with and without warrants generally; use of deadly force; adoption or promulgation of conflicting regulations, policies, ordinances, and resolutions; authority of nuclear power facility security officer
Ok, this leaves only one question. Is a taser, when used offensively, a weapon that can inflict serious harm?
I found tasers are considered to cause serious bodily harm when used offensively.
Using a stun gun or Taser might also carry felony charges under other statutes that don’t specifically mention these electrical weapons. For instance, it’s considered aggravated assault when the crime is carried out with a deadly weapon or any device that causes or is likely to cause serious bodily injury when used offensively. Also, armed robbery involves using an offensive weapon to forcibly take property away from someone. The Georgia Supreme Court has recognized that stun guns and Tasers may be considered offensive weapons that are likely to result in serious bodily injury, depending on how they’re used (Harwell v. State, 512 S.E.2d 892 (Ga. Sup. Ct. 1999)).
Stun Gun Laws in Georgia
However, the perpetrator was shot in the back after discharging his taser, but given everything happened in seconds. The officer was likely justified to use deadly force.
That said, this was lawful, but training needs to change IMO.
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