1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Defending Biblical Dispensational Teaching. What Are Your Questions

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JD731, Aug 1, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. JD731

    JD731 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2020
    Messages:
    2,382
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There were no gentile children of God before the conversion of Cornelius and his household. This is when God by his grace made the sacrifice of Jesus Christ efficacious to the world and sent his Jewish preachers out with the gospel of God, which is the theme of the 13 letters of the apostle Paul to the gentiles and is summarized in this statement here.

    Rom 15:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
    25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
    26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
    27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever.

    Paul's "my gospel" is the gospel of God.

    Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

    How do you think a sinner becomes a son of God? It is not just a title, you know.

    I am not John of Japan.
     
  2. JD731

    JD731 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2020
    Messages:
    2,382
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It is difficult to tell when someone on these forums is upset JJ. I have not been upset at you and I do not have you on ignore.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,994
    Likes Received:
    1,677
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So, you said earlier Jesus fulfilled the law. Now you say He did not fulfill the law. You are saying Jesus failed in His stated purpose to fulfill the law and the prophets.

    We will disagree.

    You continue to ignore the Ephesians passage. I understand it destroys dispensational theory of a separate future for Israel. Instead of changing your belief to conform to scripture, you ignore scripture and cling to your unbiblical beliefs.

    You then have the arrogance to suggest I need to closely examine my own salvation because I’m not “prone to perceive” your beliefs as truth.

    You have failed in your stated attempt to defend dispensation theology. You have failed to address and answer clear questions concerning scripture and how it undermines your beliefs but instead question the salvation of those that disagree.

    Therefore, I believe all has been said at this point.

    thanks for the conversation

    peace to you
     
  4. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    298
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Job_8:8 For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:

    Accordingly, let's begin, lightly. Do you only eat herbs (Gen.1:29)? Are you seeking eternal life from a literal tree in a literal garden (Gen.3:22)?
     
  5. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    298
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Saved Jews and Gentiles of the church age are one body, yes.
    Saved Jews and Gentiles from other ages are not.
    The one-body doctrine is only true for Jewish and Gentile believers of the church age.
     
  6. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    298
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    Nor can this be restricted to simply "eternity" for Paul says concerning the legal ordinances of Moses' law that they are yet to return:
    Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Col 2:17 Which ARE a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    In line with Ezekiel and Zechariah's prophecies.
     
  7. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    627
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Might wanna read some
     
  8. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    627
    Faith:
    Baptist

    Nope
     
  9. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    298
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I'll take it.
     
  10. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    19,613
    Likes Received:
    2,896
    Faith:
    Baptist
    imo he’s well written like you, I’d think you two would make great allies in defense of Dispensationalism.
     
  11. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    627
    Faith:
    Baptist

    Why do we refer to them as OT Saints?

    are OT Saints and NT Saints both referred to as a “royal priesthood and a holy nation”?

    are both saved by faith alone?

    Do both worship the same God?

    Even though OT did not fully understand not trusted in the Redeemer -Christ. Yes or no?
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  12. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    19,613
    Likes Received:
    2,896
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So all non-Jews prior to AD 40 are damned eternally?
     
  13. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    298
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Israel:
    Exo_19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

    The Church:
    1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    One Levitical, the other Melchizedekian.

    twoedged sword the Bible is.
     
  14. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    298
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Of course law-age Jews were not saved by faith alone, as we are. That's black-on-white clear from Moses and Paul.

    Gal_3:12 And the law is NOT of faith: BUT, The man that DOETH them shall live in them.

    Well sure, as do the angels, but they're not the church.
     
  15. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    627
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There you have it ladies and gents!!

    You really need to read Paul’s letter to the Romans and Galatians!!

    Paul says Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.

    I always knew you did not believe it sola fide
     
  16. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    627
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Completely wrong sir
     
  17. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,362
    Likes Received:
    668
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The antichrist will have put an end to them when he enters the temple, sets up his statue in it, & declares himself God.
     
  18. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2006
    Messages:
    6,890
    Likes Received:
    262
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It was the Romans that crucified Christ. neither the Jews nor the Romans Killed Christ. Christ laid down His life as a sacrifice Jesus even said no man takes His life. That He laid it down and that He would take it up again. Sure the Jews wanted Him crucified but they didn't do it the Romans did that.
    MB
     
  19. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,994
    Likes Received:
    1,677
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Utter nonsense. Many prophecies foretold the Jews rejecting their Messiah and killing Him.

    For you to make that statement proves two things.

    1: You are stunningly ignorant of prophecy concerning Jesus.

    2: You read your unbiblical theology into ever passage, instead of letting the passage speak in context.

    The only way dispensational theology can make sense is if you ignore all passages that disprove it, read it into ever other passage, then question the salvation of any who disagrees.

    peace to you
     
  20. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    627
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Smitten of God

    another verse as made up

    Is 53:4
     
    #100 Marooncat79, Aug 3, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2021
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...