Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

Hold on....
Before I start...is there anything you want to add to this statement?

 

Being flesh is a limitation. He gave up a lot to become flesh and dwell among men including when his second coming would be (Matthew 24:36).

Interesting question, Lucifer knew the second part of the God head from when he lived on high. Why did he tempt Jesus in the wilderness? Keep in mind, he did not tempt Job until the protective hedge was removed.

 

I really don't understand your question. He couldn't die until the Spirit left Him so when He gave up the Ghost then He was dead and God was gone.

 

The King of Babylon never tempted Job nor Jesus and was never in heaven.

Joseph Botwinick

 

LeBuick, you never answered my question. Do you believe that Jesus was fully God (never set aside his deity) and fully man while on earth.

Just because he set aside some of his divine knowledge, at least for the moment (as in Mk 13.32), there is no indication he set aside his deity. Sure, he thirsted, suffered, got tired because he was fully human and in a body. But at the same time, he was fully God. Do you agree????

 

I hope you get it this time for last time I am typing it.
One Godhead but a trinity Father, Son and Holy Ghost and all are equal.

 

Okay, I"m a little shocked that on a Baptist only forum we have what seem to be modalist statements from 2 people, and a statement from someone else that implies Jesus was not fully God while on earth. I think this needs to be clarified.

 

No sir, not when nailed, when he died. Father, I commend my spirit....

You implying the spirit of Christ was laid in a borrowed grave?

 

Marcia,

Tell me. Who are the 2 people and what do you mean?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Okay, that is better. I assume you are meaning 3 Persons in the one Godhead. Whew! :thumbs:

Still need to hear from DeeJay - his post was very modalistic.

 

He set aside more than that for He had to pray to the Father to raise Lazareth. He said Father Glorify me again, as I was when I was with thee. Also, God can't die but He did. Scripture says He was made a little lower than the angels that should tell you that He left something behind.

Now Spiritually He was the same and part of the Godhead and equal in power but the flesh got in the way at times. Like when He was tempted of the devil for 40 days and nights.

 

I believe that our brothers are trying to confess orthodox Christian belief.

I for one, accept their confession. Just as Athanasius would have said,

 

What does the word Modalistic mean?

Joseph Botwinick

 

I agree with this except for the word may. It's not may, he did according to his own words.

Correct, he knows now but not while he "lived" as Jesus.

 

Modalism is the denial of the Trinity and the belief that God appears at different times as God the Father, God the Son, and God the HS. In other words, Jesus is God the Father, God the Father is the HS, the HS is Jesus, etc. There is no distinction in the Persons. This was called Sabellianism in the 3rd century and denounced as heresy. Oneness Pentecostals hold this view.

 

Joseph,

Modalism means that there is one god, one flesh, one person. And that god put on a flesh and came down to earth - there was no god in heaven at that time. When Jesus spoke to the Father, they say that was only a rhetorical device (famcy speaking) to impress us ignorant humans.

Of course, they always have an issue explaining how god is dead, yet able to raise himself from the dead - if he is really dead.

IMHO

 

That Jesus has a birthday but Christ does not. There is a day (some call it christmas) in time when Jesus came to be. Prior to that time Jesus did not exist. Christ did but not the flesh which is called Jesus.

 

Of course not, but your prior post said the Spirit could not be nailed to the cross, which prompted my question. Thanks for clarifying.

peace to you:praying:

 

LOL!!! This thread really cracks me up. 14 pages of paranoia about modalism, etc., all because one person is desperately looking for ways to keep Jesus separate enough from the Godhead that he doesn't have to apologize to Joseph for accusing him of saying Jesus is a murderer.

What really cracks me up is the "murderer" part has disappeared as if it never existed. No apology for that, but nobody cares anymore. Now it's down to "did Jesus kill"? Yet he still has to find every verse in the Bible that makes Jesus sound separate from God so he can avoid having to apologize. And everyone else is jumping in and stirring it up, questioning each others' views of the trinity.

What a circus.

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I responded:

DeeJay, hope you clear this up! Maybe you're offline but hope you get to this tomorrow.

Thanks. :flower: