Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

Why? do you think the Scripture says "who hath known the mind of God and who hath been His councelor? :)

I didn't read it just thought you were giving us the correct way to explain it. I removed it.

 

Jesus = Christ. Christ is Yeshua (Jesus) in Greek. Yeshua is Savior (the Messiah).

So where do you get a fancy, Jesus was born from?

Sounds like traditional mormon theology (about 2 centuries old). IMHO.

 

Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

You sure?

 

Bob

The above was not Scripture - it is part of the Athanasian creed - written against sabellianism . . .

 

Yep!

Sometimes, context is everything.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I feel like I been to school and had trouble remembering the word. :)

El_Guero;
It was part of the lesson though wasn't it? :)

 

Bob

Oneness, Modalism, and Sabellianism are all good words to not be able to remember ...

Jesus is Lord - is a great word to remember!

 

I think you're saying Christ is eternal and that Jesus is the name we associate with the incarnation of Christ. But Jesus and Christ are the same person. Christ just means "the Messiah" and "the anointed one." Jesus is the Messiah. As to whether we could say Christ has a birthday or not - I guess we would have to say yes, since he incarnated as Jesus and they are the same person. But Jesus Christ has no beginning - the incarnation was Christ adding humanity to himself.

So, Jesus Christ does not have a beginning, but the incarnation did take place at a certain point in history.

Be careful not to sound like Jesus and Christ are different - this is taught by a lot of New Agers (particularly Episcopal priest Matthew Fox) who believe that Christ is a "Christ spirit" (i.e., Christ consciousness) that can be taken on or achieved/realized by different beings at various points in history.

 

I believe 100% in the trinity but pay close attention to this verse

Jn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Jesus is the son of God according to the Bible.

 

This view also ignores the voice from heaven at Jesus Baptism because of the differences of how the Gospel writers recorded the incident. I believe Jesus prayed to the Father while he was here on earth.

 

Why should I pay close attention to this verse?

Jesus was saying the HS would come after He left. It does not mean that Jesus and the HS cannot exist as the same time. I hope you are not saying that.

When Jesus was baptized, the HS descended "like a dove."

 

I don't want to be led off either. I believe in One Godhead but I believe in The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost and these three or trinity make up the Godhead. I hope this meets with your approval but whether it does or not its what I believe.

 

I heartily disagree. We need to know these words and concepts because we are told to watch out for false teachings and to be discerning. Knowing these things also helps to clarify biblical belief.

 

Clarification

1. No one here is saying that "Jesus" (God in the flesh during the specific period of time on earth) killed anyone between 2 B.C. and A.D. 31 (if that is Gregorianly correct).

2. When Joseph says that "Jesus" killed people, he is talking about the Person of God who took on flesh as "Jesus", and saying that this same Personality is responsible for the deaths of the Egyptians, Ananias and Sapphira, and several others. Can this be an accurate assumption?

Remember, "God" in the Old Testament is often the Hebrew word Elohim which is a collective plural. Just like cherub is singular and cherubim is a collective plural (like a uint). This word is great for describing the Trinity.

By the way, it certainly does look like God killed the Egyptians. This was no freak accident:

Who was the LORD (Jehovah) here? We sometimes just think God the Father in the Old Testament, but somehow I think that the whole Godhead is in on everything unless otherwise specified.

If you try to distinguish the personality of God in the Old Testament (One who did kill many people) from God the Son as incarnate in the New Testament (and Who will come as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and kill many), then it seems somewhat Zoorastrian. I know this is not what you intend, but this is of what it reminds me.

 

I got it from the Bible, it says and the word BECAME flesh...

also,
Lk 2:11*For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

 

I totally agree with you both. It is good for Christians to be able to articulate their beliefs accurately and clearly. Cults will often use "Christian speak" to state their beliefs, with slight changes in words that many Christians frankly don't understand the ramifications of.

We must know what we believe and why. We then must be able to recognize error when it raises its ugly head, and chop it off before it leads someone astray.

I don't think anyone here ascribes to modalism, but we must be careful with the language we use.

peace to you:praying:

 

I have no idea what you're trying to show me. What exactly did you want me to see? Would it help if I said satan instead of Lucifer?

 

What was said is that Jesus killed people with no distinction made. After several attempts to get Joseph to drop it He would not and even today after the other thread was shut down, He started this one and used my name and called me a liar several times to which He has made no acknowledgement at all. So, don't try painting a rosy picture now for Joseph.

 

Well,

I have to go to bed so I can get up and go to work tommorow. I won't be on hardly at all tommorow, so don't get too carried away with this thread. Bob,

If you do choose to apologize for lying about me and what I said, make sure you PM me a link so that I can make sure and see it. Perhaps, we can restore some mutual respect and friendship as a result. As of right now, however, there is really none left as far as I am concerned.

Good night,

Joseph Botwinick

 

No. Not really. I was attempting to show you that the context of the passage doesn't lend the interpretation that you are trying to read into it. Read the highlighted part at the beginning of the passage.

Good night,

Joseph Botwinick:sleep: