Why not the apostles used it? They didn't start everything from Scratch most of the first places they preached were in Synigogues.
Music in worship
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by JSM17, Aug 24, 2009.
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
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I supposed when the trumpets blow and the church is called home, the CoC should stay behind, because they disagree with trumpets.
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However, what DID go on inside the temple was not something we need to do anymore. It was not "worship" inside the temple but sacrifice. I believe the worship in the OT happened OUTSIDE the temple inside. -
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so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written,
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Show me where you have authority for mechanical instrument and women pastor, since you will avoid that post like the plague.
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Church buildings were unknown for at least 250 years after the death of Christ. What authority do you have? You better think some of these issues through.
Show where there is no authority for mechanical instruments not to be used in church services. Look to the future. The Lord has ordained that harps will be used in the worship of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That leaves you out. The rapture takes place first. There will be harps in heaven. Then we will come back to this earth to reign with Christ for a thousand years. If there were already harps in heaven, will Christ dispense with them on earth? I think not!
1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
The more modern translation says: Whether therefore you play a harp, blow a trumpet, use a violin or a flute, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.
Everywhere Paul met, he first met in the synagogue, until he got kicked out. If he established a church there it was a NT church. The church is not the building it is the people.
The trumpet of God will sound and when the trumpet will sound those that are in Christ will be resurrected. If you don't believe in musical instruments, what will happen to you? Will your unbelief make the trumpet of God of no effect? -
Scripture mentions use of them in worship throughout Scripture, from the oldest books of the Old Testament to Revelation. His approval of using musical instruments in worship is shown. Never once does it indicate disapproval of the practice.
It is contingent upon you to justify the ban on them.
I am not "avoiding" it because I cannot `defend' it. I would have no need, as my congregation's minister is a male. Also, if there was something to be gained in trying to clarify Scripture's teachings on women in the church, I could do so.
However, `you know all things.' There is nothing any of us `denominationalists' would tell you that you would not be resolved to argue against. There is no chance I would change your mind, because you are here to "proclaim the truth" to us, and in your mind, we `denominationalists' have nothing to offer you. If I was to try to get you change your view on anything, it would be an exercise in futility.
I just do not want to be bothered by a pointless argument. That is what I told you before, and I was telling the truth when I told you that. Unlike what you are probably taught in the Churches of Christ, I was mentored in church groups where lying is never okay -- including in religious debate. When I told you that I did not want to take the time for a pointless argument, that was the truth.
This board is not here for you to impugn the character of us `denominationalists' to indulge your contempt for us. In regards to that contempt for `denominationalists' you are probably encouraged to have, keep it in the walls of your building. -
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A. THE ONLY MUSIC COMMANDED IN THE NT WAS "VOCAL"...
1. The example of Jesus and His disciples - Mt 26:30; Mk 14:26
(they "sung a hymn")
2. The example of Paul and Silas - Ac 16:25 ("singing hymns")
3. Other references
a. Ro 15:9 - "sing to Your name"
b. 1 Co 14:15 - "I will sing with the spirit, and I will also
sing with the understanding"
c. Ep 5:19 - "singing and making melody in your heart"
d. Co 3:16 - "singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord"
e. He 2:12 - "I will sing praise to You"
f. Ja 5:13 - "Let him sing psalms"
BAPTIST - "I would as soon attempt to pray to God with
machinery as to sing to Him with machinery." - CHARLES H.
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Let me see, following JSM17's logic, since heated baptismal tanks are not mentioned in the New Testament, then heated baptismal tanks should not be allowed in our worship services. While we are at it, let's through out some other items not mentioned in the New Testament.
Reading glasses, oh my, nobody should be allowed to wear reading glasses in worship service.
Hearing aides, yep leave them at the door, nobody should be allowed to wear hearing aides in worship service.
Depends, absolutely not, nobody should be allowed to wear depends in worship service.
Toupees, all toupees must be left at the door.
Wheelchairs, wheelchairs are not mentioned, so they must be unacceptable.
Pews, I have never found any pews in any Bible, toss them out.
Pulpits, pulpits must be evil and of the devil because they are not in the NT.
I imagine, that on any given Sunday, at most CoC worship services, I could walk in and find a pulpit, a pew, a toupee, a depend, a hearing aide, and a pair of reading glasses. I submit that all of these items (except maybe the toupee) are a help to the people using them as they worship God. Musical instruments are a help to me as I worship God. -
I think it's a rather sad commentary that we have multiple pages debating nonessential topics like the scriptural importance of music styles, but when a person posts a prayer request, they're lucky if it goes past a single page.
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The command is to sing, why is that so hard? -
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It would be idiotic to claim that if a musical instrument is being played while we sing, we are no longer singing.
You are not going to be so idiotic, are you? You are smarter than that, right?
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We sing because God wants spiritual songs, speaking to one another and making melody in our hearts to the Lord (Eph. 5:19). We sing because God wants spiritual songs, teaching and admonishing one another, with grace in our hearts to the Lord (Col. 3:16). We sing because God wants spiritual sacrifices of praise offered by the fruit of the lips (1 Peter 2:5; Heb. 13:15).
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"It would be idiotic to claim that if a musical instrument is being played while we sing, we are no longer singing.I would appreciate an answer. Is it really your view that if musical instruments are being played while we sing, we are not singing?
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Its obvious that the scriptures that I have shown dictates that we (Christians) are to sing to one another admonishing one another. This would mean that the congregation of people would be doing this, there is no indication of choirs or trios or such. It says we are to sing to one another, period. So if it does not say how many at any given time, we must go with what is does say, and it says that we are to sing to one another, it implies all are to sing if no specific number is given, who are we to determine that only two or three will sing to all the rest.
As for Solomon, it is not his church, its the Lord's church and He gave all truth to His Apostles and prophets and they said to sing, with no mention of mechanical instruments in the N.T.
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