There is natural global warming and cooling built into creation by God, but we are not the main agent of that!
And evolution of Darwinism and his ilk is plain bogus!
Evolution in species, NOT into new species!
"My body, my choice," I believe we can say the same here!
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, May 4, 2021.
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You seem to think I take the issue lightly ("a little problem for you"), but I do not. You need to deal with that, since you are making a false charge against me.
The dwelling place of John 14 is temporary disembodied lodging until the resurrection and judgment of all humankind (see Revelation 20:11-15).
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The truth that a baby in the womb is a human being doesn’t depend on what the woman or the doctor or 5 justices on the Supreme Court believe and they will all give an account before the only Judge that matters.
I knew a prosecuting attorney who told the story of a case where a man killed an American of African descent and then argued in court he wasn’t guilty of murder because he didn’t believe he was killing a human being: he believed he was an animal, like a dog or a deer.
He was convicted of murder. His beliefs didn’t change the truth he had killed a human being.
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That's one of the reasons demeaning names and imprecise allegations are so damaging. It dehumanizes the person referenced. And for anti-abortion folks to label everyone who has an abortion as a "murderer" is not pro-life either.
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I don't have ANY dead babies on my conscience. I have been consistently pro-life. I'm sorry that you think you are responsible for some of them. You can be forgiven and more forward in grace.[/quote]
I mentioned about your past because you talked briefly about it in one of your posts in another thread.[/quote]
I don't know what you are talking about.
Republicans have had 40 years to overturn Roe v. Wade, but that hasn't happened. Even if they could do it, it would make little difference. If anything, it might make the situation worse.
(1) a Christian can be something other than a one-issue voter.
(2) a Christian might recognize that the strategy of voting in ways to nominate certain types of Supreme Court Justices is doomed to failure and only makes the Christian church a vassal of one political party.
(3) a pro-life position is more than just being anti-abortion.
(4) a Christian might be called by Jesus NOT to vote for an antichrist agenda (Trumpism).
(5) due to my convictions, I would be actively rejecting Jesus if I supported Trump.
(6) as a Christian leader, I am responsible for not being a hypocrite about the issue of character to hundreds of people whom I have influenced (and continue to influence) in the faith.
If you loved Jesus as much as you hate the concept of abortion, you would be quite influential. But all you seem to know how to do is attack and assume the worst of those with whom you disagree.
If you think the following of me, you have a real heart problem:
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Biden is pro death.
"Baptist Believer" voted for Biden.
You are not consistent in being pro life and are deceiving yourself.
Your conscience has been seared in maintaining to state you are pro life.
You do not count a fetus as having the value of one who is walking on the earth so that is your out.
Thine eyes did see my substance,
yet being unperfect;
and in thy book all my members were written,
which in continuance were fashioned,
when as yet there was none of them.
Psalm 139:16
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Calling the murder of babies “manslaughter” “if they are persons” is an imprecise allegation. It is murder. Be precise!!!
Claiming the murder of the baby is a “choice” is an imprecise allegation. The baby in the womb is a human being created in the image of God.
If we would all be precise in our language, the debate would have ended long ago.
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However, the word “fetus” is Latin for “pregnancy, offspring, childbirth” so it is only dehumanizing for those who are ignorant of the phrase and are unwilling to look it up. -
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Manslaughter - Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life.
Not realizing that the unborn life is a human person would possibly be an example of manslaughter, at worst.
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I have explained several times before that the way to transform our culture is not through politics and courts, but by using the power of the Spirit and self-sacrifice to show the goodness of God by honoring life and living sacrificially in the way of Jesus. It worked for the First Century church and they had no political power or say in the government of the Roman Empire. That worked because the church had credibility and integrity.
Of course, you can’t accept that biblical reason for my position, so you double down on the failed deference of “conservative” Christianity to the Republican Party and attack everyone who has a different view. Then your self-righteously make false statements about me, always assuming the worst. You have no integrity in my eyes. You definitely don’t represent the Jesus I see in scripture, who is gentle and full of grace, but also burned with intense anger at the religious authorities who tried to manipulate everyone into conformity with their fallen and failed agendas.
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He was convicted of murder. His beliefs didn’t change the truth he had killed a human being.
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When does a baby in the womb choose to kill itself?
Go argue about terms if you like to avoid being called a supporter of a death dealing "pro choice" president while maintaining you are pro life.
How does killing a baby help those that are walking on the earth?
Christian discipleship.
Thus saith the Lord;
For three transgressions of the children of Ammon,
and for four,
I will not turn away the punishment thereof,
because they have ripped up the women with child
of Gilead,
that they might enlarge their border:
Amos 1:13
Apparently you don't think you were one of these
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Human life is obvious. Scientifically, that baby is human life at conception. Human “personhood” obscures that obvious truth with a nonsensical, non-scientific, debate over when we acknowledge that truth.
The deliberate obscuring of the language allows those who support the murder of babies to claim “we are not killing babies.”
For example, when Illinois debated a bill to give medical care to babies born alive during abortions, Obama argued there were no babies being left to die in closets.
Now, a nurse had testified that was exactly what was happening.
But because of the imprecise language, those supporters of baby murder make such statements.
We must be precise in our language. Women must know they are murdering babies. Doctors must know they are murdering babies. Those who support abortion must know they are supporting the murder of babies.
We do them no favors by not confronting the lies of language they use.
peace to you
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