Which means he is pro-murder of babies.
Let’s be precise in our language. I’m certain God will be precise at the judgement.
peace to you
"My body, my choice," I believe we can say the same here!
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, May 4, 2021.
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I assume the situation previously described took place after the ratification of the 14th Amendment. Among other things, the 14th Amendment states:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Under the Constitution, citizenship and its protections begins at birth. The victim killed in the situation described was born, not unborn, and was protected under the Constitution.
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Zygote - a single-celled organism resulting from a fertilized egg. The zygote divides to become a ball of cells that may eventually implants in the wall of the uterus. In the best of circumstances, anywhere from 25-50% of zygotes do not implant in the wall of the uterus and are expelled from the woman's body and die. If you believe "personhood begins at conception" (the official position of BaptistBoard), then more "babies" are lost naturally than ever intentionally aborted.
Embryo - the earliest stage of development from 4th-11th weeks of pregnancy. Most intentional abortions occur during this period. This is the crucial time when organs develop, as well as any birth defects.
Fetus - this is the period of growth of the developing baby. Women can begin to feel movement between the 16th and 20th weeks of development. Intentional abortions are somewhat rare during this period, and are often initiated because doctors have determined that something has gone wrong in the pregnancy.
So your assertion that "fetus" is used as a way to dehumanize the baby doesn't quite hold water. By the time a pregnancy advance to the fetal stage of development in a culture that allows abortion, the mother intends to have the baby. -
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Many states legally recognize babies in the womb as persons when it comes to murder.
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It it also disgusting, quite frankly, especially coming from a Christian
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In terms of protection of life, human persons within the United States have protections under US law, even if they are not citizens. That's why so many people are concerned about the welfare of refugees who have presented themselves at our border. Again, the primary question of the abortion issue is whether or not an unborn child (whether zygote, embryo, or fetus) has personhood.
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Your spit has your DNA. That doesn’t make spit a human life.
And you most certainly did compare a baby to a tumor while playing the word games like the baby murders do and it was disgustingly inappropriate.
If baby murders or their supporters see your post they will say, “see, a Christian uses the same language as we do. All those who disagree are right wing haters”
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1: to confer the rights of a national on especially : to admit to citizenship
2 : to introduce into common use or into the vernacular
3 : to bring into conformity with nature
4 : to cause (something, such as a plant) to become established as if native
[ Definition of NATURALIZE ]
I post on this topic being one opposed to abortion, but without strong emotionalism, because I think the baby in question may be done quite a favor by being aborted and not having to endure this loathsome world. Indeed, if you let the baby be born, you are subjecting the baby to the possibility of infinite danger of damnation-- IF aborted babies have a place in the New Earth, or else they are nonexistent, which is infinitely better than damnation. I believe the former. But would a parent leave a baby in a room with an unsafe heater going? It would seem they would rather not take a chance, even if conditions outside that room are not ideal. And if coupled with one of those traditional Baptist doctrines-- "once saved always saved"-- which I can't say I agree with entirely, then a mother who aborts, or anyone who is an accomplice, who is saved cannot be damned for that act, either.
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I am pro-life, but the most vocal part of the pro-life movement does not seem to care about life. It seems to be a political movement to denigrate persons who are not in what passes for the Republican Party.
Do you ever speak one-on-one with a pro-choice person in a respectful way, explaining your concern for the unborn without using the term "baby murderer"?
I have a very long history of moving people to the pro-life cause (including against abortion) by demonstrating that I first respect the life of the one I am speaking with.
It's clear that many "pro-life" people here do not have even the concern to speak respectfully to a brother in Christ, much less an "enemy," in violation of Christ's command.
Unless you can do that, I have little respect for your position.
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