Murdering embros is funny? Catholics were arguing to make it illegal, simply because of the number of embryos that were being discarded due to the success rate percentages. What do you mean by "funny." These embryos are murdered in the same way as aborted fetuses. Funny?
No One on this Board Supports Abortion
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JustChristian, Nov 21, 2008.
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And BTW, the topic title really isn't true judging from some of the posts I've read here, it appears some people here do support legalized abortion rather than back alley jobs.
And for the record, a D&C is sometimes used for abortion, but not all D&Cs are done to abort a fetus. D&Cs are sometimes done for cycle irregularities.
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So the idea that D&Cs involve abortion is incorrect. D&C IS a form of abortion but it is also a method to remove the endometrium when there is excessive bleeding, fibroids or other uterine issues where cutting out the lining would be beneficial.
Oh - and I was the result of an unexpected, unwanted pregnancy. My mother was a Baptist minister's daughter who had an affair with a married man - her boss. This was in 1965. She chose life and I thank her forever for that. -
With my first two, just a basic fertility drug (clomid) was enough for me to get pregnant.
With the next pregnancy, I had to resort to injectable drugs. I miscarried this baby.
The fourth pregnancy was from a combination of medications. I miscarried this baby also.
Our next choice was to do either artificial insemination or in-vitro. Neither one was acceptable to us. Either we would conceive our child in the "natural" way or else we'd adopt. I did not want to even think of creating babies that might not make it.
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I'm against abortion. Given that, if we really want to minimize the number of abortions in our nation, as churches and individuals, we need to do things that are truly pro-life. Through what you describe as "three paragraphs of lame scapegoat arguement(sic)" I was attempting to illustrate the real issues that young women face. Unless you deny that rape ever occurs (a ludicrous argument by any standard), then everyone needs to consider the real pressures that many so-called "pro-life" churches put on women to actually abort their children through stigmas and self-righteous and unchristian moralism.
If you will pay attention to what I actually said, you will see that I have not advocated a "pro-choice" argument. I am pressing for a truly consistent pro-life position, not just anti-abortion.
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I'm not aware that there is any effort to make In Vietro fertilization illegal. Who's leading the effort? Oh, I guess that's the Catholic effort you referred to. -
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On the other hand, Democrats often support just terminating pregnancies before the children are born so they don't have to deal with the messy realities of families in crisis. And that's definitely not pro-life.
If we are going to deal with the issue as Christians, we have to forget arm-chair morality and get involved in people's lives. We need to reject the overly simplistic way the abortion war has been framed and consider how Jesus would want us to handle the situation. We need to deal with people in their brokenness and need, and work for healing of families and the welfare of children, both born and unborn. Churches need to organize finances and ministries to aid women in need so that they don't have to rely on government programs to get through their circumstances. Christians need to get past their self-righteous desire to condemn and instead work toward redemption.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about when I am referring to someone who is truly pro-life. Not everyone can actively serve like you do with your gifts, but everyone can find someone like you to support in prayer, with finances (so you don't have to bear the burden alone), and will loving support for you and the young women. -
Your original post was that no one on this board supports abortion; our argument states that your position is false. If it were true, you wouldn't have so vehemently supported a candidate who was so obviously pro-abortion.
Arguments about stem cell research and in vitro fertilization are not supporting your position. They are an appeal to emotion that falls flat in the face of the facts.
You state that the present administration did nothing to prevent abortion; it's been shown several times that they made some efforts, however small and/or ineffective they might be. You, on the other hand, have voted for and helped elect a president who will undo those efforts, and forward the cause of the pro-abortion crowd.
All your arguments on this subject are overshadowed by who you voted for. Don't hold it against us that we happen to believe who you supported represents what you believe, or are happy living with. -
It's a topic for discussion. No one has posted on this topic saying that. -
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This topic is like Lucy and the football in Charley Brown. Every election the Republicans tee up the abortion football for the gullible evangelical Christians to go for. Then every time they get in office they pull it away and actually do very little. Besides, defeating Roe versus Wade is only part of a comprehensive program to address the harm that abortion has done in the United States. (See my earlier post.) I've never heard the Republicans come up with a comprehensive solution.
My belief is that closely allying the Christian church with a political party, especially one which hasn't done much to achieve its objectives, has been very divisive and has done perhaps irreparable damage to the evangelistic outreach of the Church in Americe.
By the way, a D&C procedure is mainly used after miscarriages not for abortion. It's used after about 50% of miscarriages which are the most common cause of the loss of a fetus. It is rarely used for ablution. Understand the facts before making accusations.
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D&C procedure after a Miscarriage
Unfortunately, miscarriage is the most common type of pregnancy loss, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). Studies reveal that anywhere from 10-25% of all clinically recognized pregnancies will end in miscarriage, and most miscarriages occur during the first 13 weeks of pregnancy.
Pregnancy can be such an exciting time, but with the great number of recognized miscarriages that occur, it is beneficial to be informed on miscarriage in the unfortunate event that you find yourself or someone you know faced with one.
The main goal of treatment during or after a miscarriage is to prevent hemorrhaging and/or infection. The earlier you are in the pregnancy, the more likely that your body will expel all the fetal tissue by itself and will not require further medical procedures. If the body does not expel all the tissue, the most common procedure performed to stop bleeding and prevent infection is a D&C.
What is a D&C Procedure?
D&C, also known as dilation and curettage, is a surgical procedure often performed after a first trimester miscarriage. Dilation means to open up the cervix; curettage means to remove the contents of the uterus. Curettage may be performed by scraping the uterine wall with a curette instrument or by a suction curettage (also called vacuum aspiration), using a vacuum-type instrument.
Is a D&C necessary after a miscarriage?
About 50% of women who miscarry do not undergo a D&C procedure. Women can safely miscarry on their own, with few problems in pregnancies that end before 10 weeks. After 10 weeks, the miscarriage is more likely to be incomplete, requiring a D&C procedure to be performed. Choosing whether to miscarry naturally (called expectant management) or to have a D&C procedure is often a personal choice, best decided after talking with your health care provider.
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Dilation and sharp curettage (D&C) for abortion
Dilation and curettage (D&C) uses a sharp instrument to remove tissue from inside the uterus. It is a rarely performed type of surgical abortion done in the first 12 weeks (first trimester) of a pregnancy. D&C has an increased risk of bleeding and injury to the uterus compared with the usual procedure that uses suction to clear the uterus (manual or machine vacuum aspiration).1 -
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Abortion didn't advance during Clinton's two terms. In fact it went DOWN MORE RAPIDLY than it did under Bush. I think the major reason was the economy. -
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Just have to point out no one is opposed to stem cell research, That said Most people opposed to abortion are opposed to EMBRONIC stem cell reasearch.
Stem Cell research and embryonic stem cell research are totally different things
I will also note while stem cell research has proved many positive results, embryonic stem cell research has had NO success, NONE. Nobody has ever been saved, healed, made better or anything else by embryonic stem cell research.
And buy the way if have to kill a baby, even in a embryonic state, for me to get "healed" then I shall go meet my Savior face to face at last.
This is one of the many reasons I could not support McCain, He supported Embryonic Stem cell research. I just couldn't push it under the rug like most could.
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