Still DHK am I right in my assessment of your reasoning?
Oh Pagan Tree
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by antiaging, Dec 11, 2008.
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
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DHK,
I have a bowl of multicolored marbles with a light in the bottom that "lightens" the marbles up real pretty when I plug it in. A sister from church made it for me a few years ago and its the only christmas decoration I have.
Regarding the tree, you said...
We feel that way all through the rest of the year of course, but we just like to make big deal out of it during this time.
Did you know that it irritates a lot of athiests, pagans, and non-christians that we do it?
If we were "doing as the pagan world does", as you suggest, then why would they be upset about it?
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Who here uses the days of the week's names?
Who here wears a wedding ring?
Who here was or married a bride wearing white and a veil?
Well, you've done something based in paganism. Did you do it knowing it was pagan? Did you do it to follow the pagan practices? Or did you do it based on tradition and preference?
Jeepers people! God does not tell us to not use a tree in our celebrations. He doesn't tell us to not to celebrate His birth. Let's get over the ridiculous arguments and use this season to minister to others and bring them to the Lord. Let's also use it as a time to draw families closer together (is that a bad thing?).
If God Himself told us to not get into vain arguments and not to judge each other on the special days we hold, then why are we?? -
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Way too much common sense here. Please make sure that you edit this out and get back into the spirit of useless & needless arguments over nothing. -
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People are dying and going to hell but some are more worried about an evil pagan Christmas tree. Please....someone needs to loosen his shoes. They are tied way too tight. Loosen them up and refocus on what's important.
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There has never been a period of history where God has not left himself without a witness--never! The Catholic Church and all of her godless inventions has always been protested against ever since her invention in the time of Constantine--always. -
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
God doesn't take kindly to those that are "friends to this ungodly world."
NO, He tells you to come out from the world and be separate. Again he says:
1 John 2:15-16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
--It is not of the Father; it is of the world. You need to get that straight.
He doesn't tell us to not to celebrate His birth. Let's get over the ridiculous arguments and use this season to minister to others and bring them to the Lord. Let's also use it as a time to draw families closer together (is that a bad thing?).
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If we are to be different from the world as you are saying, then we need to do a lot more than trash our tree at Christmas time. We should not drive cars since the world does that. So how do we travel? Walk? Well, the world does that. Ride horses? Worldly. Ride bikes? Worldly.
I do not see one bit of Scripture to support getting rid of any of our traditions at Christmas. To say that we are to do things differently than the world either carries over to every part of our lives or it doesn't mean a thing. We worship the Lord in a church building, with a PA system, with a band or with an organ - or even with just voices (the pagans LOVE to use just their voices). We sit in chairs, we shake hands - EVERYTHING we do is similar to the world. Do you think if we trash our tree that we increase our testimony to the Lord to the world? Do you think that if we trash our tree, we are better followers of Christ?
A Christmas tree is not pagan in origin. It is from Old Germany and was decorated for Christmas. I do not worship Satan with my tree. I do all to the glory of God. Just as I decorate my home with homey things, I decorate my home with a Christmas tree. It is just a tradition. Nothing more. We also have a tradition of eating a casserole on Christmas morning - that is worldly I'm sure. But I'm still going to do it because it is our tradition and building roots for my family are important - not because the world does it.
I think people have way too much to argue about when they want to argue about a large piece of plastic in my living room. -
We feel. Your running your lives by your feelings, your emotions, instead of the Word of God. Your big deal of it this time of year is emotional, sentimental and a worldly and cheap imitation of the ways of the world (or pagans).
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Do you have any idea of the meaning of that verse. Please explain it to me. Apparently you are naive to the meaning of what it means to be "a worldly Christian."
As to the origin of "Christmas" in general, and all of its various traditions, you also seem to be unknowledgeable. All I can say is, that you search it out for yourself. I am not going to take the time here.
What does it mean when the Bible says: "Whosoever is a friend to the world is the enemy of God."
Please explain.
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Ok DHK, just loosen your shoes. You will feel a little better. Any way my point was directed at the first post not at you.
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DHK said to Annsi...(bolding mine)
Oh oh. :eek:
When those words are spoken to a woman, things sometimes get very interesting. :laugh:
Good luck, DHK. I hope she is merciful. :thumbs:
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It is history. Has there ever been a time in history where God has left himself without a witness?
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Traditions can be contrary to God's will for us.
Matthew 15:2-9
2Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Colosians 2;8
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. -
Do you drive a car? Very worldly. Do you ever read a book? Well, pagans do too. Do you have a wedding ring on? Yeah - TOTALLY pagan.
Since celebrating Christmas is not at all spoken of in Scripture, I have freedom. Since it does not go against any of Scripture, I have freedom. Romans 14 states quite clearly to not judge someone on a day that they esteem yet you clearly disobey something that IS in Scripture.
I do not place my Christmas tree, my nativity scene or anything else I own or do over Christ. If He said to stop it all now, I would. But He hasn't. If everything in my home burned up and was gone, it would not break my heart as long as my family were safe. I've given it all to the Lord and I am quite offended that you state that I follow the ways of the world. If you think putting up a stupid piece of plastic is following the world, then you've got some learning to do.
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