Actually, it's you who is confused, wrong, misleading, arrogant and you have truly mastered the art of deception!
There is no contradiction between Hebrews 10:29 and Hebrews 10:10 and Hebrews 10:14 because those in Hebrews 10:29 were "set apart" or "treated as holy" but not saved, so they were not "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) or "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So the word "sanctified" doesn't always mean "saved."
*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses the word "sanctified" to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" / "set apart" / "treated as holy" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to "make holy," "purify," or "treat as holy," "set apart as holy," depending on the context.
Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.
If you simply give the word "sanctified" a broad brushed definition of "saved," then you would have to say that the 7th day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the vessel and the bread were saved (1 Samuel 21:5) the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) the unbelieving husband was saved (1 Corinthians 7:14) along with other scriptures that do not line up with your presuppositions.
Hebrews 10:9 - then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second. *Still does not change the fact that in verse 10 By this we (believers) have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. It also does not change the fact that in verse 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Only genuine believers properly believe and follow God's Word and not people in false religions and cults. *Your loss of salvation interpretation of Hebrews 10:29 remains in contradiction to Hebrews 10:10 and Hebrews 10:14. Period.
The letter of Hebrews is written to a large group of Hebrews which is made up of believers and non-believers mixed in with the group (just as we see in Hebrews 4:1-3), hence the warnings. Believers are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ one for all/perfected for all time. In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action that is a matter of PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21) not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). You need to learn how to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine. You also need to learn what a true believer is. Believing and following the false teachings of the SDA cult is not believing and following God's Word.
Sanctification
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by NetChaplain, Oct 16, 2019.
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So after considering the CONTEXT, "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart as holy," "treated as holy" and identified as an active participant in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received and trampled underfoot the Son of God. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
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CONTEXT: here to this WARNING to BELIEVERS (If WE v26) is to those who were "ONCE BELIEVERS that SIN WILLFULLY after receiveing a knowledge of the truth. HEBREWS 10:29 stating their punishment after being sanctified ἁγιάζω, (past tense to was)
Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 37: sanctified ἁγιάζω means to purify by expiation, free from the guilt of sin : 1 Corinthians 6:11; Ephesians 5:26; Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14, Hebrews 10:29; Hebrews 13:12; Hebrews 2:11 (equivalent to כִּפֶר, Exodus 29:33, 36); cf. Pfleiderer, Paulinismus, p. 340ff (English translation 2:68f).
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to sanctify From hagios; to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate -- hallow, be holy, sanctify.
NOTE: sanctified ἁγιάζω as you claim does not mean set apart here! It is in reference to those who had (past tense) received the blood of the covenant and count it an "UNHOLY THING" and to those who received God's Spirit but grieve (insulted) it v29.
The context you leave out and the word definition from God's Word shows why you are in error.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 37: sanctified ἁγιάζω means to purify by expiation, free from the guilt of sin : 1 Corinthians 6:11; Ephesians 5:26; Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14, Hebrews 10:29; Hebrews 13:12; Hebrews 2:11 (equivalent to כִּפֶר, Exodus 29:33, 36); cf. Pfleiderer, Paulinismus, p. 340ff (English translation 2:68f). Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.
1 CORINTIANS 7:14 has nothing to do with HEBREWS 10:26-39 and is different subject matter that is not relevant to the conversation in HEBREWS 10 as it is not in relation to apsotasy and departing the faith *HEBREWS 10:26-39 but is in relation to the"UNBELIEVING" spouse being sanctified ἁγιάζω made holy by the "BELIEVING" spouse being one flesh in marriage.
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The WARNINGS outlined in God's WORD in HEBREWS 10:26-39 are written to and for BELIEVERS not unbelievers. HEBREWS 10:10 and HEBREWS 10:14 is in reference to Christs perfect sacrifice being sufficient for all sin once and for all *HEBREWS 10:10 and for all time *HEBREWS 10:14 (no more animal sacrifices and burnt offerings) when compared to the OLD COVENANT sin offerieng outlined in HEBREWS 10:1-9. So does not teach "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" your reading into the scriptures something that it does not say or teach by leaving out the scripture context of HEBREWS 10:1-9.
HEBREWS 10:26-39 on the other hand are "WARNINGS" to believers not unbelievers. To prove this
1. WE (BELIEVERS) return back to a life of known unrepentant SIN; HEBREWS 10:26
2. WE (BELIEVERS) being those who have received a knowledge of the truth; HEBREWS 10:26
3. WE (BELIEVERS) will receive the judgments of God; HEBREWS 10:27
4. WE (BELIEVERS) will receive a greater punishment for returning to a life of known unrepentant sin because we have receved a knowledge of the truth and turned away from it; HEBREWS 10:29
5. WE (BELIEVERS) by returning back to known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth we count the blood of the covenant an UNHOLY thing and do despite to the Spirit of Grace; HEBREWS 10:29
6. WE (BELIEVERS) are warned not to CAST AWAY our confidence which has great reward; HEBREWS 10:35
7. WE (BELIEVERS) receive God's promise after we do God's will; HEBREWS 10:36
8. WE (BELIEVERS) are WARNED NOT TO DRAW BACK INTO UNBELIEF; HEBREWS 10:38
As you can see here all of the above is Gods Word not mine and the scripture application and context is to believers drawing back to something that is not the Gospel of Christ. The application here is universal. If we draw back to anything that is not the gospel of Christ and continue to sin willfully after we receive a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of judgment.
Sorry brother as shown through the scriptures alone Gods Word disagrees with you. Can you see your error here? Context matters and you have provided none
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This is a WARNING to BELIEVERS not to "SIN WILLFULLY AFTER WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH" v26. Those who were once believers that draw back and leave the faith were "ONCE BELIEVERS" this is outlined as they were "BELIEVERS" WHO WERE SANCTIFIED BY THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT - CHRIST SACRIFICE) but "SINNED WILLFULLY" after receiving a KNOWLEDGE of the truth *HEBREWS 10:26 and count the blood of the covenant, with which they were sanctified ἁγιάζω, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace. This warning is referring to those who fall into apostasy τὸ πνεῦμα τῆς χάριτος ἐνυβρίσας, “and insult the spirit of grace”. The spirit of grace is the distinctive gift of Christian times to those who are sanctified by faith in the blood of the covenant. To have blasphemed this gracious Spirit, who brings the assurance of God’s presence and pardon, and gifts suited to each believer, is to renounce all part in things spiritual. HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 2:4; EPHESIANS 4:7
Can you see your error here brother. You have no considered CONTEXT and context matters.
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If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find it in the posts that I have shared with you that back up my arguments with scripture. If accommodating your biased SDA church doctrine is the only thing you are interested in, then you won't find the truth no matter many times that I or anyone else shares it with you.
You make a good lawyer for the SDA cult, but not for the Lord. Ellen G White would have been very proud of her disciple. Oh, I see that others are catching onto your nonsense as well:
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Have you not read, that the accuser of our brethren will be cast down, who accused them before our God day and night, Revelation 12:10, ". . . the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. . . ."?
The Apostle Paul wrote the Corinthians church, ". . . Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. . . ." -- 1 Corinthians 1:10.
Well? Are we going to play Satans game and viciously fight each other or are we going to try to find common ground to deal with where we might find we disagree?
Do you even know why those who believe God does the keeping of those whom He saves believe such? All you have done is give arguments why you believe the word of God teaches the saved can become lost. If you do not understand why one believes according to God's word OSAS how can you instruct them?
This thread is on sanctification. If the new birth must precede sactification, then I would concede the saved can become lost, ". . . Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? . . ." -- Hebrews 10:29.
What explicit Biblical evidence is there that one must be saved prior to being sanctified? It is my understanding according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and 1 Peter 1:2 that sanctificatino precedes salvation. Hebrews 10:29 also seems to bear this out. -
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WARNINGS NOT TO DEPART THE FAITH (HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-39). Yours and your friends response was simply to ignore the scriptures provided and only shared in love that show why you are in error. These are God's Word not my words. If I have only told you the truth why do you not believe it?
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Judas - Richard Stenbakken
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Hi, and appreciate your replies! Myself, I believe sanctification does not admit in degrees and is fully imputed upon rebirth. Same for holiness, righteousness and justification, for at the point of salvation we are "given all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him" (2Pe 1:3).
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I should hope I gave the impression that sanctification came first, it comes complete and efficaciously. This is a regeneration of the heart to God's love, agape, from whence justice is formed, the honor we rightly owe God. Justification then becomes the process of going from unjust to just, perfectly. This type of justification only requires the love of God seeks a selfless love only to share with God. Hence the will remains free.
You would have justification first, perfect in every way, thence sanctification is poured into the heart of men. This forms a covering over sin, essentially removing the offense from the debt roster, however the heart remains unchanged only less burdened.If justification were a alien rule over man then there is no free will.
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To me, spirit renewal and regeneration is more related to God imparting the nature from Christ (new nature) which results in a new never-existed-before type of spirit being (each being unique and only one of you). The new nature makes the spirit new in everything godly (Eph 1:3; 2Pe 1:3). -
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