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So, if I don't believe 'laying on of hands' (doctrinally, denominationally, even liturgically, even sacramentally), then I worship what my preacher tells me more than I do God, and am a follower of man rather than Christ? Then so be it in your eyes, I couldn't for what your judgement is worth, care less. I only know, it is arrogant and phony, to a sickening point so hypocritical.
I tell you what I believe is the Gospel truth for today, that one is saved and healed by faith alone and not by the laying on of hands - which is not for today nun ist's Schluss!
Would you allow a woman to lay hands on you?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by xdisciplex, Nov 28, 2006.
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
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Call me back when you learn the difference between saying "I don't beleive in/feel comfortable with the laying on of hands froma doctrinal standpoint," which is a statement of personal belief, and "laying on of hands passed away because the Apostles are dead," which is a statement attacking the doctrine of others.
Discern that, and you'll have the insight to call someone else "arrogant." -
You fail to see that the "laying on of hands" is an act of showing one's faith. :tear:
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
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I see no where in Scripture where it says that laying on of hands is outdated for believers today, so I will do it. Jesus did it, I will do it. The Apostles did it, I will do it. Believers have been doing it for thousands of years, I will do it. I follow God, not what's 'comfortable' for me. :thumbs:
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Yes, no qualifiers...Jesus didn't seem to have a problem with a women washing his feet with her hair
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
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And then lastly this usurping of Apostolic authority has never been witnessed but under a cloud of suspicion of various haughty claims. -
Try and talk nice, it Christmas time. I do believe its for now in the NT. If you don't that is your perrogative.
James 5:
: But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13: Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
So he was speaking to the tribes of Israel but it was not the apostles but the Elders who are to lay hands on the sick. Jesus first said go ye to the twelve tribes of Israel and then after they went there and Jesus died and arose He sent them out again. It don't say, He gave them a different message but said now "go ye into all the world and preach His Gospel of which He had just taught them. He didn't take them up on the mountain again and give them a different message. If you want to be in the dark, so be it. Me and my house will walk in the light and serve the Lord. Do you sir, believe in "Elders" in the church today? -
What Jesus and the Apostles did does not necessarily extend to us. The letters to the churches do not talk about laying on of hands except for ordination, and the use of putting on oil by the elders (all men) for prayer for the sick.
I am not saying women cannot touch people as they pray for them; we are specifically talking about "the laying on of hands" in the context of the NT instructions and what that meant: ordination. -
Hbr 6:2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
This scripture is not talking about raising the dead but the doctrine of the resurrection and eternal judgment, along with gifts of laying on of hands and doctrine of baptisms.
It said to call the Elders, the "laying on of hands" is a gift and I don't think its talking about ordaining someone all the time. We know we can't raise the dead but we don't jump in a fiery furnance either but we do still practice baptisms too. Anyway, its talking about the "doctrine" of the resurrection of the dead which is yet to come and also the eternal judgment which is yet to come. Baptisms and laying on of hands was there then and now and until there is none left to baptize or lay hands on, then will come the resurrection and eternal judgment. -
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Well, if you don't believe in it then I don't think you will ever have to worry about someone asking you to lay hands on them and ask God to heal them.
You know, God knows what we stand in need of before we ever ask, but He still wants us to ask in faith believing.
If you don't believe then just don't worry about it. -
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"So he was speaking to the tribes of Israel but it was not the apostles but the Elders who are to lay hands on the sick. Jesus first said go ye to the twelve tribes of Israel and then after they went there and Jesus died and arose He sent them out again. It don't say, He gave them a different message but said now "go ye into all the world and preach His Gospel of which He had just taught them. He didn't take them up on the mountain again and give them a different message. If you want to be in the dark, so be it. Me and my house will walk in the light and serve the Lord. Do you sir, believe in "Elders" in the church today?"
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That's just the difference, imperceptable to you: There were the elders appointed by the Apostles, and there are the elders appointed by ordinary believers like us. -
You lack a belief in God being able to not change, being the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If we are Elders, we are His Elders, the same as if we are saved we are His children the same as they were.
What you think, everything changed when the Apostles died? God don't change!
Where in the Bible do you think we should start, Rev:? -
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John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
--God answers prayer. Period. He rebuked His disciples for not praying, and not praying in His name. The oil and the laying on of hands is not necessary for God to hear prayer--anyone's prayer. Why get hung up on this? God answers prayer whether or not the person is brought before the church and the elders of the church lay hands on him and anoint him with oil. Surely I hope you believe that God answers prayer.
Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
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